protester/rioter, members of congress, i think this is a very revealing -- i think this is -- i think we lose sight of the fact this was a massive crime scene, what happened on january 6th. people forcibly entered a restricted area of the capitol, numerous aggravated assault charges against law enforcement officers, of course trying to desecration and destruction of property in the capitol, and trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power. so i think this is devastating for meadows. seems to me he's kind of one foot in, one foot out. he's already complied. he's provided, you know, massive amounts of documents. and he won't talk about those documents. he's talking about all this stuff in his book. a lot of the stuff in his book. won't talk to congress about it. so i think he's in a no-man's-land. i suspect the former president is putting pressure on him, not to testify so he can't -- he doesn't want to tell the truth, he can't lie either. he's in a bad spot. >> the focus on this 187 minutes
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