to begin with. >> fine. >> a house impeachment inquiry, there is no defense lawyer present in the room. there is no evidence presented by the defendant. this is an absurd argument the white house is making. >> that's exactly what i wanted to look at. >> and not talk about the series of developments in the last 24 hours. >> we can go with substance for sure. i look forward to doing that. but we also need to shoot that down. because how does that -- when you see this letter that they released from their lawyers -- i mean, the white house counsel, they make all of these charges the democrats aren't doing. so i think it's helpful to say those aren't supposed to be happening yet. >> correct. i mean, look. it's also worth remembering the kangaroo court talking point we've heard earlier. >> not based on captain co kangaroo. >> important clarification for those of you not up on the legal