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of climate change? >> well, you know, wolf, there are really two ways that things change in terms of government. one is, the kind of legislation and spending that pushes clean energy, pushes electric vehicles, pushes all the new kinds of changes we need. the second thing is rules, and this is an administration through the environmental protection agency, through the department of transportation, through the department of commerce, can change a lot of rules that push us in the right direction, and i'm absolutely confident that they're going to do it because this administration has made a gigantic commitment to addressing our climate crisis, both here and i think they've made a huge commitment internationally to leading on this. i think they have a lot of tools in their toolkit in order to address this beyond legislation and i expect them to use every single one of them. >> very quickly, before i let you go, but quickly, what do you say to those out there, including some leaders, who continue to insist this whole

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