the past, it's led to government shutdowns, you know, financial market turmoil. very counterproductive. so, i think this is ready for the trash bin. >> as you noted, it was designed to serve this important purpose. it hasn't stopped the debt from ballooning. $28.6 trillion. when do you start to worry about the size of national debt? is it something that people at home should care about? >> well, i think we should start to worry about it and really focus on it. once the economy is back to full employment -- you know, we're getting good job numbers. but unemployment is still very high. 5.4% is much better than $15 which is where we were back last april, in the heat of the business shutdowns. but a well-functioning economy where everyone is employed and