coach, no advisor. he's his own apprentice, so to speak. >> what do you expect? >> i think he's down playing what he's going to -- he's managing expectations and i was speaking with kevin madden this morning who is a political -- mitt romney is -- one of mitt romney's advisors. he said in his estimation that's the first political presidential thing he's done, candidate thing he's done is he's managing expectations for the debate. but when he said if it doesn't go so well i'll ride off into the sunset. i said "well, it sounds like you're tired, after this debate you'll bow out." he said no, he's energized. >> real quick. >> but even if donald trump doesn't do well, don't you think he'll say "i'm the greatest, i did great, i've never been in debate before, i still mopped the floor with him"? >> i'd say odds are yes in that direction for sure. interesting interview for sure.
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