and a consultant. mr. houk, first to you, i want to ask you about this new information that we're hearing from one of the witnesses who doesn't want to be identified but voiced over his own self-camera phone video and suggested that mr. gray was in a pretzel like condition, his legs bent terribly over his back. i wanted to ask about the possibility that that's the kind of position that police officers may try to take a suspect down in to stop him from whatever it is they think he's doing, if he's running, et cetera. does that sound like anything in protocol to you. >> it's hard for me to think that the man's body gets in some type of a pretzel position on a takedown. that doesn't make sense to me. you know, the takedown -- >> why not? with momentum. >> but it comes from the upper part of the body, the takedown. that's the only way you are taking somebody down or a little lower to the waist and you take