they did not push their wives to be the best that they could be and then happily stand back and do everything they can to help her career. >> my aunt julia was very sad about not being able to have children. i think she would have liked to have had at least one. but that wasn't to be. she saw me as a child she didn't have, and actually all her nieces and nephews, she embraced us as her children. what she said to me later was, well, because i didn't have kids, i could throw myself into work. >> i want to do this very slowly. turn it over. push it back just a little bit. you can see that's -- >> she got word that she had breast cancer. paul was absolutely devastated.