information. these are just the first three out of the gate. at this point they've attempted to go the route of voluntary cooperation. both mccarthy and jordan said they had nothing to hide and they'd be willing to talk about twhat knew and now have backed off of that. but i think the committee finds themselves in a complicated situation here. there is really no easy path forward. and more than anything else, there's no precedent for this. no one has ever tried to do it like this in this fashion. so that makes it a very difficult opportunity for them that they just don't have an answer to at this point. >> ayesha, how much do we need the information? how important is that information? how hard are we willing to fight for it? jeffrey clark is another example. he was at the justice department. he told donald trump, make me acting attorney general. i'll help you through all this. he took the fifth amendment 100 times, more than 100 times in a one hour and 40-minute interview with the committee. zoe lofgren says maybe we should give him immunity and force him to testify. the question is how aggressive do you want to be?
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