nationalism and protectionism isolationism are dominating? that is the question that the leader of the g-7 have to answer this question. >> now, a lot of people credit you with your leadership in that period of the global financial crisis. but i think it is fair to say that these leaders face a more difficult challenge because there is, as you say, a wave of populism and nationalism that have begun. what would you do -- you know what will happen if there is a perception that joe biden or boris johnson are sending vaccines abroad, there will be people criticizing them and saying these should stay home, there is people saying we're too dependent on global supply chains and they need to be brought back home. how do you convince people that more global cooperation is in their best interests? >> i think we have to start with the disease and with vaccination. we've got a world that is really
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