lot of hollywood movies. do you look at something like "die hard 4" the idea being that you can take down the critical infrastructure, transportation, energy, of the united states, pretty easily? >> this is one of those areas where it's not just hollywood that describes it pretty easy and often in hollywood it's the one guy breaking into the system and there's the one computer that controls everything, whether it's "die hard" or "mission impossible" tom cruise coming from the ceiling whereas the snowden example shows he didn't have to break in anything, he was sitting there the system doing it. so there are real threats here, but too often both in hollywood, but also in major government statements, you'll see senior officials say things like a couple teenagers sipping red bull in their parents basements could cause a wmd-style impact. no stuxnet the first cyber
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