in whatsoever. so i would hang out at the theater department and, be a techie. i would do the lights. and i would look down and i would see the teachers directing the kids. and i said, "well, i could do that." you know, tell you to "stand here, stand there." >> and, and you get to hofstra and do you then start to realize, uh - when did you fall in love with movies? >> at hofstra, i started to, uh, direct one-act plays. and my one-act play was the best one that anyone ever had seen a student do. and there was a little theater called "the little theater" and they said, "today only, four o'clock we're showing sergei eisenstein's, ten days that shook the world." and i saw this four hour russian movie of eisenstein. >> it's, it's about the bolshevik revolution. >> i never saw anything like it. i - i was astounded, because there's no sound, and i hear everything just from the way the film is edited, and when i came out of that, i said, "i'm not gonna go to the yale drama school, i'm gonna go to ucla