lives were changing and for any family across america, whether it's your kid involved in drugs or whether it's your son getting married and involved in isolation from the community and talking about isis, the question is not do you know what you're doing? the question is, is there a behavioral change, erin? >> you think the answer would have been yes. there would have been. >> yes. yes. >> they're talking about who radicalized whom. this is a crucial part of the question. was it she who radicalized him or the other way around? today, a producer here at cnn actually was in pakistan, went to the university where tashfeen malik the woman studied. this is it. this is where she went to school. she studied pharmacy. as you can see, the women pretty much all of them are veiled. some not fully, but all of them to one extent or the other. this you see one woman perhaps not, that looks like she's taking it off as she walks out. this campus has been investigated for extremist views. i know we don't have all the information, but do you think her radicalization really started then or do you think that she was very religious and that the radicalization aspect