if the doj was being run by people who didn't push back? >> there was a prospect of that. some of these notes also indicate that donald trump was trying to replace barr's replacement. so replacement for replacement with someone who is more pliable. i shudder to think what would have happened if the place was run by people who were just prepared to do anything that trump asked them to do and also the white house counsel's office. some of what we've seen is that don mcgahn, who i think was no hero in lots and lots of ways, the former white house counsel to president trump -- at the end of the day when asked to do the unthinkable, fire bob mueller, didn't do it. in this case these career professionals didn't do it. i'm not saying they should be lauded as heroes necessarily because i think the bare minimum of what's required of someone either at the line level of the doj or at the pinnacle of that department is not to accede to a political candidate's mandate to