doing it at length. how big of a deal is it? because it seems like short wouldn't talk without a blessing from team pence, no? >> i don't know if he had the blessing from team pence or not. i hope he did because let us remember part of what they wanted to do is literally hang mike pence, and they had built the gallows to do so outside the capitol. i think it's very important because mike pence was crucial to this narrative they wanted to build and what they wanted to do, overturn the elections. it was mike pence who had to do it and still to this day, donald trump is furious at mike pence for not having gone along with this crazy plan, and i think listen, when trump says when he dangles pardons for the terrorists that took part on the january 6th insurrection, we should believe him. look at his track record. this is a guy who pardoned michael flynn and roger stone and manafort and papadopoulos and jared kushner's father and
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