>> it did. until this day, no one has ever apologized. >> do you want an apology from them? >> at this point, no, i don't. it really doesn't matter. today like i said was a very huge win. after he and travis' testimony during the trial, he tried to justify the moments that he decided to take ahmaud's life and really, if he gave an apology at this point it wouldn't be genuine at all. >> the judge also referred back to something you said. he talked about how closure and how sentencing doesn't generally provide closure, that it's more an exercise in accountability. that was a quote for him. what does closure look like for you? i don't know if that's even possible? >> i don't think my family and i will ever get closure because ahmaud is gone forever. we will get some sense of relief