broken by that at times. but then he was asked would he consider a carveout for voting rights, and he said that and other things. and so i don't know exactly where he is on this, and the key question is the one that bakari asked. you know, bakari says, why haven't we gotten stuff done on criminal justice reform, on voting rights, on a whole range of things? the answer is the filibuster. and the question is, are the senators who have opposed changing the filibuster -- manchin and sinema are public about it. i think there are others who probably share their view. are there 50 votes to end the filibuster? >> mm-hmm. >> but, i mean, don, let's be extremely clear. i mean, our good friend, the 44th president of the united states, somebody that david axelrod worked for, called the filibuster what it is, which is a relic of a racist past. i mean that is what the filibuster is. and so the question -- that's the frame that we have to look

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