most states have dropped all of those nonpharmaceutical interventions. things like mask mandates or distancing or rapid testing. and we have kids going back to school. we have travel at levels that we've barely seen since the beginning of the pandemic. and we have folks going back inside in the north and northeast. we know that this virus spreads more easily in indoor locations than outdoors. we are heading towards a very difficult month to two months ahead of us. >> i mean, look at the pictures. we have stadiums packed, maskless people in -- coming in droves. and you have got new coronavirus cases that are more than four-times higher than compared to labor day last year. i mean, covid-related deaths, hospitalizations, they are also increasing. and we are supposed to be in a very different place as a country by now. is that -- can we ever get there now? >> you know, it's a great question. i think we need to come to grips with the fact that covid-19 is never going to go away.