focus. it isn't because we're about blame. the other yeureka moment is thi. you know why there's so much confusion? because scientists make lousy messengers. people are used to politicians messaging. and what politicians do is only tell you things that fit the conclusion they want you to make. whereas, scientists don't have any problem being wrong and developing their understanding. so, they create openings for people who attack them. >> yeah. >> you don't need a mask. now, you do. in politics -- >> i don't think they're doing this. i think we're just saying it's very nuanced but people may hear it as you are blaming scientists for what is happening. i don't think that you can -- i think that we need to be careful about that because scientists are actually telling people the truth and as they see it. there is no -- there is no right or left in science. there's no right or left in virus. >> right. it's not the truth as they see it. it's the truth when they see it. >> when they see it. >> that's right. >> what the best information available, at the time. the facts available, at the time. they're not trying to deceive