that you have never seen january 6th as an extension of political rhetoric, even demagoguery. yeah, trump pushed it in a way we haven't seen at the presidential level in modern history. but i don't think this is just about who wins the talk and who gets their people to the polls. i see the big lie as a metaphor for people's distrust, disaffection, and dissatisfaction. and it is very real. we talk about it in the minority community all the time. it's just as real in white america and in some ways, being fuel for a sense of being aggrieved, being a victim, as mike says, that has people ready to attack a capitol. i see more of that coming, not less. >> well, i mean, if you put those two things together, you have a double legitimacy crisis. in other words, you could have a situation where the left won't accept the results of the next election because we look at all this hanky-panky going on with
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