the reasons why the list grew to a degree. walk us through these numbers. we're hearing two conflicting things. >> okay. appreciate it. will do. first of all, if you think that the va is fudging the numbers, which we've seen on healthcare for veterans and wait times, which i consider friendly fire, why would you not think they're not fudging the numbers on claims as to actual claims numbers. shinseki we established the benchmark in january of 2009 was 150,000 backlog. you can look it up. it's online at the va. that number is now officially around 280,000 level, 290,000 level and that backlog is going down because they created a new class of provisional claims. a provisional claim is not one that's been finished or processed. they have a year to finish the claim. they manipulated the system to bring down the claims but with that it's close to double and
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