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he was mormon. there was all of this anxiety they were going to stay home and, in fact, they came out in bigger numbers than they did for john mccain. so they might be with donald trump and ben carson now, but i'm pretty confident evangelicals will support the republican nominee no matter who it is. >> i don't know about that. >> david, you have written extensively about the subject of why evangelicals support donald trump. you say they maybe don't care as much about whether he can name his favorite bible verse. you get the sense from people that when they -- when donald trump went after ben carson, particularly calling him only an okay doctor, you're hearing from evangelicals they think donald trump went too far? >> i think anecdotally at this point, yes. having said that we'll find out in the poll numbers sooner than later i'm sure. but, look, i think the problem with the okay doctor line is that it goes to donald trump's brand. donald trump's brand whether you like it or not is he's the, quote, truth teller, right? if he's the truth teller and

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