what donald trump and governor christie were doing were delivering a message and the others were debating in a senorial fashion. the other folks are lost in the weeds. that said i think it was a great debate. i like to hear the weeds of policy stuff. i like to go through it and like to hear them do it. and one thing i would say about paul and the families, if you recall in the early 1980s, mr. gaddafi blew up a west german distech and killed a number of american servicemen. president reagan sent the military to attack gaddafi's home and killed one of his family members -- [ inaudible ] >> not doing the same thing --