rostov-on-don, as their logistics base as well. that's where the hub really was located. so for the movement of the wagner group to come across, i don't think that's particularly significant. >> mm-hmm. >> what was significant is this significant movement up to this area, as you indicated, and then you call the thing off entirely. so there's much more at play here. >> this bigger picture in the weeks preceding this, you had drone strikes on moscow and yet a number of attacks across the border by either ukrainian special forces units or russian units disloyal to putin's regime. >> right. >> what does that show you about the control of the country because it raises questions about control at the border, air defense systems, a whole list of defenses? >> what you're looking at is who controls the border? does the military control the border, sore there some other border force? does the fsb, does the gru? how do those organizations communicate among each other to