there will be a long-term counterinsurgency. it will be bloody, it will be drawn out, and it will be a black mark on russia that could end up leading to russia's downfall as the afghanistan invasion arguably contributed to the soviet union's downfall. so this is a big-decision moment for putin and while i am not sure we are going to get some magical diplomatic agreement, we can certainly raise the costs to putin and make clear to him that is going to be long, drawn out, and very ugly and in the end, he will wish he never set foot any further inside ukraine. >> what is your sense of why russia is doing this now? i mean, obviously, there are concerns about ukraine joining nato are well known. why now? >> listen. i think putin sort of sees the end of his career coming. he has long believed the breakup of the soef soviet union was the
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