per day, 1,300 people dying per day, hospitals starting to become overwhelmed, 67,000 people in the hospital now in the country, i think for the time being we're still sort of very much in a significant surge. it's on fire. so yeah, you have to do everything you can to try and control it. >> do you think more shutdowns, for lack of a better word, may be coming? >> i think it will be very hard to implement those. i mean, i think the country has sort of reacted to these in the past. but i think what we have learned over the past couple of years is you've got to see what's happening with hospitals. when hospitals do start to become overwhelmed, they cannot take care of all the patients that are coming in, they can't take care of patients who are coming in who do not have covid, that are totally unrelated to covid. that's when hospital administrators raise their hand and they say, you know, we need to put the brakes on here, we cannot handle all this anymore. so if it gets to that point in various places around the country, it may be targeted areas that have these shutdowns but you know, we'll see.