this recall, the initiative. it -- it's kind of a wild process. but to get rid of it would take a vote of the people, again, and i think it might be rather hard to get the people to give up the power because i think they like to hold the last card. >> so, look. i think it may be easy for some and it sounds like maybe you to write off larry elder at this point and say he can never win. but look. i mean, we had 2016. we saw donald trump win an election. um so, what are your concerns there? >> well, if you asked me a couple weeks ago, i might've said well, this could be close. but it is turning, i think, on the behave philosophy of california. and that is heavily democratic. and the people who are -- are out of touch. they might not be out of touch with mississippi or maybe texas. but they are out of touch not with everybody in california but the vast majority. i'd say, 55, 60%.
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