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republicans and moderates and independents are sick and tired of donald trump, but no one is counting on that small sliver of the country. republicans, we always get to this point, but i think governor kasich will agree with me, republicans, they always fall in love. democrats -- excuse me. republicans fall in lines. democrats like to fall in love. at the end of the day, many of them will hold their nose and vote for donald trump, understanding what they will get. what democrats have to focus on and whether or not it's joe biden or bernie sanders or i really don't believe michael bloomberg will win any delegates, but whoever it may be, there are four million voters who voted for barack obama in 2012 who did not come out and vote at all in 2016. a third of those were african americans. so i think there is a number of individuals that if we get the enthusiasm and energy, whomever it may be, and i think joe biden probably right now has the best chance to do that, should focus on energizing those voters who chose the couch over hillary

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