part about rene's reporting tonight is that republicans are saying you cannot have a quid pro quo -- not that you need it. but you cannot have a quid pro quo unless the ukrainians knew about the pressure. this story shows, well, yes. the ukrainians did know, and they spent hours even before he was inaugurated trying to figure out what to do about it. >> carl, even if they did not know, you know, that immediately on that late july phone call that the aid was already being held up, the fact that the aid was not there and the president had control of it and they desperately needed it, i mean that is essentially, you know, a sword hanging over them. >> and you have just described the high crime. you know, the impeachment clause of the constitution refers to treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors. this is about bribery. this is about the president of the united states attempting to
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