he would never be dumb enough to talk about things or disclose things in some of these phone calms that he described as being so heavily populated. but we know, anderson, and we've been reporting this along with our white house team earlier today that sometimes there is a limited number of people on these calls, and so when the president says that those calls are heavily populated, that's not always the case. >> how much do we know, though, about how -- when the president conducts his calls with foreign leaders? are there -- you said some of them are less populated. are there ever ones that are hardly populated at all, or just between the president, a leader and a translator? >> anderson, it's interesting, because the practice has been -- long-standing practice here at the white house and other administrations, the president would be on the phone, perhaps in "the situation room" or in the oval office. he would be surrounded by aides. those aides would be coaching him through those phone calms as he talks about very prickly and difficult issues with a foreign leader. president trump has gone a different way from time to time. from what we understand, talking to senior administration officials, off times the president likes to talk to these
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