shrapnel and dirt landed there. and the drone strikes were effective. and they talked about a famous foreign militant who taught them how to make bombs and he was killed in a drone strike. so it is a difficult process, but from what i saw, and just my personal experience they were largely effective. >> and david, that is what is interesting, people haven't been there in the region you can hear the drones buzzing -- flying overhead? >> yeah. they are like small propeller aircraft a piper or like a cessna circling overhead. and they knew that. they would order me inside of the house when there was a drone overhead and they assumed that the american government was hunting me and the american government wanted to kill me because they had this crazy ideas about what they could get for one american captive. they are constantly overhead. >> peter, what do we know and they mentioned farouk and adam