countries, virtually every country in the world doesn't have a legal debt limit, end of story. shouldn't have one. >> okay. so then what you're saying is we should never address our long term debt. the only way in today's political world -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> but then why hasn't it been addressed for the last three years? you tell me what democrat proposal came forward. you might not like paul ryan's budget. you may disagree with things. i disagree in his budget. but he had the courage to step forward and attempt to deal with our long-term debt. >> let me give you the final thought. >> we have not been serious about the debt in this country. i want to make very clear you're absolutely right. i would like to see washington deal with that debt but this is not the way to do it. not the context. >> then tell me what the way is. >> you don't do it on the edge of cataclysm. >> how do you do it? >> negotiate budgets in a normal way, not one chamber refuse to go to conference or write a budget for years.
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