Just for you, right here on mad money, im jim cramer and i will see you tomorrow good evening, everyone. Im larry kudlow. This is the kudlow report. Its getting nasty again. Today, president obama promises not to compromise on the debt ceiling. As usual he demonizing demonizes republicans for hurting our elderly and the troops. Meanwhile the white house wont deliver its own budget in time and still wants to raise more taxes. Were about to hear a response from a Republican House member. Thats not all. Fed chief ben bernanke is saying it must raise the debt ceiling and that the fed is going to keep buying bonds for now. On this onemonth anniversary of the heinous, awful newtown shootings, the sheriff comes out in favor of banning assault weapons. The kudlow report begins right now. First up tonight, president obama slams the republicans. He says no gimmick, no magic coins. Just the plain old standoff on the debt ceiling. Who is gonna blink first in this . John harwood joins us from washington with the details. Good evening. Good evening. The president used the last News Conference of first term to draw an everbrighter line with Congressional Republicans on the debt ceiling. They say they want dollar for dollar spending cuts to be matched with an increase in the debt ceiling. The president said ill negotiate with you, but not over the debt ceiling. He simply is not going to allieu republicans to take the full faith and credit of the United States and the health of the u. S. Economy as hostages. They will not collect our ransom in exchange for crashing the american economy. The Financial Wellbeing of the American People is not leveraged to be used. The full faith and credit of the United States of america is not a bargaining chip. And they better choose quickly because time is running short. Now, House Speaker john boehner responded quickly saying House Republicans will do the right thing. They will be responsible, they will meet americas obligations and make sure the government does not shut down. He tried to take that specter off the table. But this is a very tough fight thats getting more and more problematic, larry, because the president said hes going to break the habit of crisisdriven fiscal negotiations. If hes going to succeed in that, somebody is going to have to break and it may have to be soon because treasury secretary geithner said this afternoon we could hit the debt ceiling and exhaust all the extraordinary measures hes been taking as soon as one month from now. You know, john, 2010, 2011, the 2012 he negotiated. He voted against the debt ceiling i believe in 2006. Why all of a sudden does he not want have to have negotiations . I think wills happened, larry, is that the president spent 2011 and 2012 with republicans squeezing him on his priorities, having opposed him during the first two years of his presidency. Then that really had the wind at their back. The Tea Party Election of 2010 had given republicans very big numbers on the hill. And hes decided that he backed up, and he backed up and he backed up, and hes not going to back up anymore. He took his argument to the American People in the election. He won the election. They held the house, that is true. But hes decided that hes been vindicated by Public Opinion broadly, and hes going to try to hold that ground. The question is going to be, larry, at the end of the year on the tax issue, he had the hammer behind him of the expiration of all the bush tax cuts. He does not have that hammer right now. What he has is the prospect of a catastrophic standoff between republicans and democrats on the hill and against the white house and can he get his way, impose his way the way he did to some degree in the fiscal cliff negotiations . Were going to find out pretty soon. Yes, we will. Many thanks, john harwood, appreciate it. Joining us now exclusively with the gop response, the new chair of the republican study committee, Steve Scalise from louisiana. So were going to be a deadbeat nation and this is important, republicans are antiold folks, antiyoung people, antisick people. All of those horrible things. Whats year you action, sir . You know, it just sad this is what president obama is going to become in his second term. He seems to be the only person in washington that wants to talk about the nation defaulting on its debt. I think theres nothing that could be more irresponsible for somebody to suggest that america would default. I dont want us to do that. But just remember the debt ceiling the fact that were hitting up against this max on our credit card again is a symptom of the spending problem in washington and president obama doesnt want to recognize that that problem exists. When you say no one is talking about defaulting on the debt, does that also include letting the debt ceiling lapse . Well, you know, larry, what were once again up on the debt ceiling. We have been here before, a year and half ago we were having this debate again. I supported a plan cut cap and balance that would have focused on solving the problem. But clearly we havent sold the problem and credit card is maxed out again and president obama wants to get that money from china and send the bill to the kids. So any deal to solve this latest crisis ought to include a solution to their actual problem that got us here. Is John Boehners role still in place . One for one for every dollar of debt increase there should be a dollar of spending reduction . I think you need a start with that. Then youve got to actually put real programs in place that solve this problem long term. Because look, if we dont solve this problem coming up in the next few weeks, were going to be back here in another few months because president obamas racked up all this spending. He doesnt want to control the spending hes already accrued so he wants more money on the credit card. So, you know, if were going to pay off the previous bills which we ought to do, we also need to fix the problem that got us here in first place. Just one point coming back. Nobody doubts we have enough revenues, we the United States government have enough revenues to cover the interest on the debt. No one doubts that. But its the rest of the budget, the idea of prioritizing payments, theres about 80 million accounts, thats an awful tough thing to do. It is. We take in about 2. 5 trillion a year, the federal government does. And yet of course the federal government is spending over 3. 5 trillion as year so that gets you the deficit. But the actual debt payment, are less than 90 cents on the dollar that we take in. So even if the president as he should should pays our debts, that leaves him with 90 cents on every dollar that comes in to fund the other priorities of government and he wants to threaten not to pay that debt service. I think thats irresponsible of the president to be suggesting default on the debt. We ought to be talking about a bipartisan solution to the spending problem that got us here in the first place. I have heard talk in the republican conference about a one or two or three month extension on the debt ceiling. And on a continuing resolution for the budget to run the government. Is that one to three month solution not still on the table . Well, larry, were proposing a number of different solution, both short term and long term. Frankly, president obama needs to start rolling up his sleeves and focusing on both instead of sitting over in the white house and kind of throwing out all the threats to everybody across the country and running around campaigning as if hes still running for office. You know, the election is over. President obama actually has to start governing and addressing the problems and frankly the spending problem is one of the biggest reasons right now why were in this dilemma. Youre still going full bore on the spending sequester . Full bore, spending sequester . We need to address the spending problem in washington from many different fronts. Thats one of those fronts. There are a lot of others. And again, president obama refuses to talk about any of them. He doesnt think we have a spending problem. Well, then why is our nation hitting the credit card limit again . Because the government is spending too much. We have to solve that problem. Many thanks. Appreciate it, sir. Great being with you. Lets bring in our panel to talk about this. We have molly ball with the atlantic. Kate, author of divider in chief. And robert costa from the national review. If i wanted a deal, i wouldnt insult, demonize and pound away at the opposition. He certainly to use a cnbc phrase is not rising above partion. Where does he get off doing this . Larry, this is the politics of what happens in washington. President obama went to the podium today and he outlined the hardline position. This was red meat for the liberal base. We know though just as we saw in the fiscal cliff that a deal will have to be struck to avoid a government shut down. I think he ultimately he will come to the center, depends how much. Kate, i dont think america is a deadbeat nation and i dont think republicans are deadbeats because they want to cut spending. Which is really the big problem. Yeah, this president has zero interest in cuttings or discussing cutting spending. Hes made it clear, carnie made it clear. Obama wants to destroy the opposition here. Saying that the republicans are holding a gun to the head of the American People, that was a shocking statement that they want to limit payments to the elderly and yet again children with disabilities. This man knows no shame and he is not i do not believe he has any interest in coming to the negotiating table. I think hes just using this and his 50 or 53 Approval Rating as another chance to drive the nail into the coffin of the republican opposition. Well, molly, on top of that, one little hypocritic thing. When the president was a senator in 2006, he voted against the debt ceiling. I just want to note that. I know its 2013, but he voted against it. In fact, the senators, Chuck Schumer and harry reid and those who signed that letter, they all voted against the debt ceiling too. Now, how does obama come away with that kind of history and accuse the republicans of shutting down the government and demonizing them . How does he do that . Well, i think theres a long history of partisan hypocrisy and deal making on this deal. What we see obama doing is trying to take control of that political fight so that those who would get political advantage by say voting against raising the debt ceiling which tends to be popular. People you know, the american public, they hear debt ceiling and they think no, lets not do that. That sounds awful to give government more money to spend. Hes trying to turn it around. But it absolutely is a dynamic that he exemplploited when he w senator. Robert costa, lets look at this for a minute. Republicans have a tricky situation. Because the country does not want us to default. And this whole business of managing accounts and prioritizing, theres 80 million payment accounts. I know the interest on the debt will be paid, but to some extent the gop has got to watch itself, robert. They could come really at the wrong end of a Massive Public relations blunder. Thats exactly right, larry. The president s press Conference Today really was first battle in this Public Relations war. What matters is that the president is out there for an hour, making his case to the American People. What the republicans need to do a better job is making their case. Now, its easy to point fingers on capitol hill and say, well, obama did this as a senator, obama did that. But what matters is this moment. What matters is now. Can republicans articulate a message on the debt ceiling that gets beyond the beltway and really connects . Obama is betting that he can resonate more than house republican. Im thinking the gop has to get back to the message of spending cuts and oh, by the way, the president today called for higher taxes. I think boehner has got to shut that down. We already had a tax hike. Listen, the republicans have got to do something massively different. The playbook is not working. Boehner and mcconnell came out today with these milquetoast reactions to obamas explosive rhetoric. They said, its a very, very hard problem and we need to be responsible. Look, obama is saying that republicans are holding a gun to their head. That republicans dont care about old people or children with disabilities. We have got to get better about arctic lating what is the impact of spending cuts. Are we really headed towards bankruptcy like greece . Yes. We have to use the same enthusiasm in explaining our position and put some folks out there who have some passion and can actually reach the American People because this is not working. All right. Well, passion. You may be looking at the wrong party. Well see. Passion. Molly, kate, robert, thanks. Look, we have been looking at the politics of this spending night. Now time to look at the economics. 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I do hope that congress will allow the government to pay its bills, not raise the possibility of default. Which would be very, very costly to our economy. And then address very seriously these fiscal issues. This was bernankes first speech since the release of the feds latest Meeting Minutes which caused a stir because it indicated some policymakers wanted to end the Bond Buying Program before year end. Meantime, in a letter to congressional leaders including boehner, tim geithner urged lawmakers to raise the limit on the nations debt, or risk irreparable harm. The credit worthiness is not a bargaining chip or a hostage that could be taken to advance a political agenda. The last time the debt ceiling debate occurred, Standard Poors downgraded us. And that was in august of 2011. Thank you, jackie. According to the wall street journal, ber nan i can did suggest that the government would keep buying the bond, theyll keep buying them. My two cents on the debt ceiling business. Republicans ought to stay away from the issue. Thats the first thing. Stay away from the debt ceiling issue. Stay away with government shutdowns. Theyre political poison and p. R. Disaster. Instead, on the spending sequester, 1. 2 trillion stay with the spending sequester. I believe john boehner should stick with his one to 1 debt increase with a dollar spending cut. And then go to the new budget. Paul ryan, where are you . We need more spending cuts, more entitlement reform and even some tax reform especially business tax cuts to spur economic growth. My two cents. Here is an old friend, david walker, founder, president and ceo of the come back america initiative. He knows a lot about this. David, let me ask you this. Is boehner wrong to insist that a dollar debt increase should be accompanied by a spending decrease . The fact is we need to pay our bills. And i do however think that we have a spending problem. The federal government has gone from being 2 of the economy, 100 years ago. To 24 today. Headed to 37 by 2040 absent a change in course. The republicans ought to leverage the sequester and the c. R. Not to shut down the government, but we need to reduce spending. We also have to keep in mind if you try to hold the debt ceiling hostage, Social Security is negative cash flow. Therefore, that means you could face a situation where the Social Security checks dont go out on time. The last time we faced that, it was 1983. And that was the only reason we got reforms. That would be a disaster. Believe me if we allowed that to happen. I agree. I think the idea of prioritizing accounts after the interest on debt is insane. But, you know, boehner doesnt want to give obama a free lunch on the debt ceiling. They did that a year ago, they still havent passed the se yestercuts. What im saying, why not at least launch a compromise . Obama has compromised before in the past. Heck, hes even voted against the debt ceiling in the past. Well, we clearly need a compromise. We need to reduce spending, we need to impose tough statutory budget controls. Need a real credit card, thats constitutional limit. Were the only country on earth that has a debt ceiling limit. So lets get real and try to do something thats more thats more appropriate and more effective than we have had in the past. Ultimately we need to build a bridge to a grand bargain later this year which includes social insurance reforms and comprehensive tax reform. That will make it simpler, fairer, more competitive and generate more revenues. You know, on that taxes, i am just beside myself with the desire to have business tax cuts. Large and Small Business tax cuts. I think we should have done this four years ago. I definitely think that we have to streamline, simplify the Corporate Tax code. We need to move to territorial and take the top rate down to 25 . Permanent r d tax credit. We need to give a deduction to dividends districted. Lets lower the top rates to 25 , which makes it simpler, much more competitive and i think thats the way forward. Did you hear today any sense, any tone of compromise on taxes and spending and the rest of it from the president s News Conference . Not yet. Frankly, i think we have too much rhetoric and not enough results. People are still acting as if were in the campaign cycle. The campaign is over. Its time to govern. The country has serious challenges that get worse with the passage of time. I have in front of me, larry, a fake 10 million bill. Our federal financial hole gets deeper 10 million a minute, 100 billion a week they do nothing. It has a real cost. It sure does. At least you dont have a 1 trillion platinum coin. Could have been worse. I have a 1 trillion bill. It has about as much substance as that platinum coin. David walker, thank you. As always, youre terrific to help us out. A new question now. Is wall street dissing washingtons debt drama . Are the markets actually used to the idea of lawmakers going to take everything to the brink . Market didnt too bad today. The dow is up 19 points. We have seine brown from lord abbott. So the markets are saying, oh, we have seen this before, we know you guys are going to get it together . Not worried . I think so wall street is so worn out from all the garbage that went owithin the on with the fiscal cliff. Why should we get excited, its not going to be anything to get excited about until it comes right down to the line were a month ahead. Thats right. Were four to six weeks ahead. All right. And there are ugly clouds on the horizon. I mean, the fiscal cliff was a friendly family discussion compared to this Hatfield Mccoy environment thats unfolding with regard to spending. So you think this whole story is going to have some real heartstopping moments for the markets . I think there will be huge consequences. Recall that in the summer of 2011 the last time we faced this that the dow went down 1800 points in july and august. Now, granted there were some other issues in europe that were a concern. But we could see some serious consequences as a result of these this inability to have a discussion on spending cuts. I know youre a bond specialist, but apple reducing their iphone orders and so forth. Apple fell 3. 5 today. 18 to 501. Is this apple reduction in ipad orders, is this symbolic of an economy thats getting weaker . Well, i think so. I think well, we have heard some people say that, yes, its part apple. The company. But also, i think it is symbolic of just people not having enough certainty of what kind of money they will have in the future to spend on items such as what apple offers. At the same time, on the plus side, perhaps two private equity firms want to buy dell. Dell computer. Now, thats interesting. Yep. I think thats certainly a possibility. Im not sure where real value is in dell. It would be interesting to see what they do with dell. Certainly their Business Model is very antiquated. So they need to pair them up with somebody else who has the capability that apple does. Some people think that the Business Model is right today where it should be about 12 right here. The stock closed at 12. 50. Thats what that may be the business value, but the model itself is pretty antiquated in terms of focusing only on laptops and hard top computers. Not really being on the forefront of tablets and iphones and things along those lines. Last one. Ben bernanke in his speech at the university of michigan did strongly suggest according to news reports that the fed will keep on buying bonds. You are a bond guy. Do you think people should stay in bonds, do you think the fed will keep buying 85 billion per month . I think they probably dont have a choice at this point. Theyre the only game in town in terms of trying to hold this economy and country together. Theyll continue to buy them, but i wouldnt buy them. Let the fed buy them. You know, we have talked on this show before about the other end of the fixed income spectrum. High yield. That actually outperformed the s p 500 last year. So id say there is opportunity in stocks. Stocks have done amazingly well, despite whats gone on in washington. High yield bonds on the fixed income side have done well. Good sage advice. Thank you. Now, folks, look at the cubans lining up for freedom. Theyre sick of communism. Well have that story next up on the kudlow report. Shes still the one for you you know it even after all these years. But your erectile dysfunction you know,that could be a question of blood flow. Cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moments right. You can be more confident in your ability to be ready. 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We now have a new date for when Hillary Clinton will testify before congress to answer questions about the terrorist attack on the u. S. Diplomatic facilities in benghazi. Today, ed roy says mrs. Clinton will appear before the committee on wednesday, january 23rd. Thats a week from this wednesday. And more breaking news. Now a source tells the Associated Press that Lance Armstrong has just admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs. He made that admission during an interview hes taping right now with oprah winfrey. That interview will air this thursday, once again, at 7 00 p. M. Tour de france winner Lance Armstrong reportedly admits to using performance enhancing drugs to help him win those races. He has already been stripped of those titles. All right. We move on, major step toward opening up cuba. Cubans will be allowed to travel outside the country without government approval. We have more. Michelle . Its an historical day, absolutely. There are thousands of people in line in cuba today. Today was the first day where it was much easier to leave. Before the changes that went into place today, people had to get an exit visa, permission from the government to leave. They had to have letters from of invitation. It was exceedingly difficult to leave. That is no longer the case. When these changes were announced several months ago, a lot of skeptics within the island outside the island said, is this really going to happen . Well, today, yanni sanchez, the most famous dissident blogger there, she tweeted about how shed apply for a passport and try to leave. And today she tweeted wow, they tell me that i will get my passport in early february. And she is going to travel to a social Media Conference as a result. Whats also important is even though you want to leave, you wont necessarily be stigmatized. They wont seize all of your belongings as they used to do in the old days. So some pretty significant changes. Why are they doing this, larry . Money. The cuban government wont say that socialism has failed, but they have acknowledged that the government cant employ 100 of the population so theyll start firing government workers. It would be a lot easier for them if they left. Second, every time people leave, they send cold, hard cash via remittances back to the island and the cuban government desperately needs that cash. All right. You answered the question i was going to have, why the communists suddenly doing it. You answered it. Michelle carusocabrera, thank you. You may have missed the gun control push, but the police chief from newtown called for a banning on the assault weapons this weekend. Why arent the others joining him . Well talk about that with a former fbi special agent next. [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters . Maybe you want to incorporate a business. Or protect your family with a will or living trust. And youd like the help of an attorney. 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Theres a new Organization Called sandy hook promise. It is a group of residents including some parents and family members of victims who want Commonsense Solutions to prevent School Shootings from happening again. This is a group that says it is nonpolitical. It is nonpartisan. And it doesnt have an agenda. Other than to have a National Discussion about what to do to keep these tragedies from happening again. They want to look at Mental Health issues. They want to look at the issue of violence. And they want to look at the issue of guns. In fact, theyre not talking calling it gun control here. They call it gun responsibility. They want gun owners at the table. In fact, i talked to one of the founders tonight who said that he thinks the gun owners may be the key to solving this problem because they have the knowledge as to how to keep guns in responsible peoples hands. There is a lot of pain here as you can imagine. Today is the onemonth anniversary of those shootings that killed 26 people at sandy hook elementary school. That school is still a crime scene. The students who survived have been moved to a building in a nearby community, but the community here is still trying to figure out just what theyre going to do with that building. Thats the latest from newtown. Larry, back to you. Many thanks. Ann thompson. The Newtown Police chief has come out with his own message to washington, d. C. Listen to this. Ban assault weapon, restrict those magazines that have so many bullets in them. Meanwhile, new york is further restricting its assault weapon ban and limit the size of magazines from ten to seven bullets. Are we getting closer to a National Assault Weapons ban . Lets talk with don clark, hes a former fbi special agent in charge of the new york and houston divisions. And we welcome back Kate Obenshain and robert costa. Mr. Clark, what do you think about this . Banning the assault weapons, putting limitations on the bullet magazines and better Background Information . I think we have to have better Background Information, larry. We have got to find out who were selling guns and have a record so that we know who has guns, who will have guns in their hands. And thats a process thats supposed to have been in, but thats got to continue right now. In terms of assault weapons and so forth, as far as im concerned those are combat weapons to be used. I dont know what social involvement there should be with the with that type of weapon like that. So im certainly one that says lets move these things aside and use them in the appropriate behavior. Hopefully we wont have any more wars but thats where they should go. Kate obenshain one of the quotes, was this crazy kid had more firepower than his own people have. And there is kate, a New Washington post poll out, 58 support an assault ban. I think a lot of politics out there are using this tragedy to try to ram through some gun control measures that have a lot of gun proponents extremely concerned. You heard it in the president s speech today. Where he said that gun owners need to and those who support gun rights need to examine their conscience, suggesting those who are in favor of Second Amendment rights have some sort of lack of sympathy with the parents of the children who were slaughtered in this horrible situation. I think we need to be very wise and realize that some of these guns that the politicians are going after, the semiautomatics are the most popular guns bought for selfdefense. We need to look at whether these measures are actually going to have an impact or not and a lot of them are just political and are not going to keep our children safer. Robert costa, we heard from senator joe manchin over the weekend and others. They want a broad base. They said youre not going to get a semiautomatic ban unless you have bettered attention to Mental Illness and obama today said that the gun lobby people were ginning up fear among americans who otherwise want reform. Where is this thing going to play out . Larry, i just walked over here in the u. S. Capitol. The house is now back in session. I spoke with some lawmakers. Especially among republican legislator, theres not a clamor to move towards an assault weapon ban, but theres a real discussion about background checks, about limiting the amount of bullets that could be in a magazine. And these are only preliminary discussions. So what president obama did today by talking about an executive order, he is trying to urge this process along, but its a long way away from being a legislative reality. Don clark, i appreciate your thoughts on the ban. Im surprised that the Police Organizations which i believe would much prefer a ban just as the chief of the Newtown Police department would, im surprised they have been so silent. Well, i think they may be silent for a particular reason, trying to get all of their if you will, their ducks in order if they come out with a standing on this that they have something to stand on. Thats what i really think theyre doing, rather than and really trying to get together with each other and to see what direction that they should get, to get the public to really join them together. So that they will believe when they come out with the statement that said this is what we need to ban, that they wont get it thrown back. All right, they were very, very present and visible back in the 1994 debate. Now, let me move on on this topic. Washington is focusing on new gun laws to prevent tragic shootings like newtown, but we cant forget about Getting Better care for people with serious Mental Illness. Here now is Health Care Policy analyst dr. Stephen green. Welcome. Youre going for better Mental Illness i guess processes. This may not be about the guns, and youre saying that antidepressants may be the problem here. It doesnt have a strong ring to me, but go ahead and make your case. Well, i was just asked to come on to talk about antidepressants, but if your question is do they contribute, theres a lot of evidence lets just back up. Antidepressants are well known to increase suicide. These shooters were suicidal. So thats why do so many people use them . Youre a surgeon. Well, they make a lot of money. Youre a psychiatrist. We all know people who are using antidepressants. Many, many of them live more comfortably and better lives. I understand if you have an extreme, extreme violent character that may happen with or without antidepressants. Antidepressants are used a lot because theyre an industry and like a lot of drugs, lipitor, what have you, they have been promoted. The evidence actually in the new england, jama shows, theyre questionably effective at best and theres also a lot of evidence to show they do harm. So im not convinced that theyre drugs that should be used by many people. And the relationship to suicide is well known and these shooters are also suicidal. Now, youre saying then, youre trying to make a link to the antidepressants in the mass shooters. Let me ask you this. These mass shooters may be im going to use the word they may be nuts anyway. Sure. They may be extreme, violent. I just dont i mean, anybody the point is if they didnt have access to a gun they wouldnt be able to do this. Im not antigun. But im antisome guns that i think the police should have. Isnt that the fact though, that Mental Illness, maybe they should go back into the institution and not worry about a bunch of pill. Absolutely. Mental illness needs to be treated. Im totally for an assault weapon ban myself, just to let you know. Right. But theres a lot of issues to this. And but youre not going to say blankly that antidepressants are bad and hurt everybody . Unrelated to the gun issue, antidepressants dont work. As a surgeon as a financial analyst who has been covering the stocks i know the literature better than most psychiatrists. I can show you the reports in the new england journal. Some of the finest doctors in the country prescribe them. Well, thats what marketing will do. You think thats all it is, its about marketing, its not about the Mental Health of the patient . Doctors are very influenced by big box marketing, yes. Lipitor is overused. If you havent had a heart attack and youre on lipitor, you might not need it. So well leave it there. Well have to have a better debate on that. Steve green and our panel, thanks very much. Now, up next, california raises taxes on the rich. Oh, yeah, here we go again. California hasnt erased the budget deficit. 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In november, voters passed the 13. 3 for the highest earners. Thats the highest in the country. A month later, well, presto, Income Tax Revenues exploded. Surging 760 million more than expected. That sudden wind fall along with other revenues led to a very rosy outlook for 20013. Governor brown said hell have a balanced budget in 2013 after years of the massive deficits, but it may be a mirage. Heres why. Budget experts say that december money was a one off tied to the fiscal cliff. The wealthy of course took gains in december, so they could avoid those higher tax rates in 2013. Now, the revenues from the New California tax rates wont kick in until this quarter or later. That means they could have a rude awakening this month or next when that money doesnt arrive. As brad williams, a california budget expert told me, we suspect those added revenues were related to the federal tax changes rather than the state tax rates. It shows that california is more dependent now than ever on the wealthy. The top 1 of earners pay up to half of the states income taxes, but the revenues for the rich are harder than ever to predict because they can manage their income. As you always say, tax rates matter. Tax rates matter. Actually, it could be both. It could be that the california tax hike, the capital tax hike, the dividend. If they build in that base line theyre going to be badly wrong. Badly mistaken. Exactly. And thats the problem. When you say, okay, our new spending rate is based on this mountain of money that we have in december, its not repeated and you and i both know it wont be, thats where the problems will come with another deficit. I think its an economywide problem. Fourth quarter may be stronger than people think for this reason, but its coming out of the First Quarter when the tax effect takes place. Robert frank, thank you very much. We appreciate it as always. All right. When we come back, where does president obama come off blaming republicans for running up the debt . He is the biggest debt creator in chief in american history. The gop wants to cut spending. What exactly is wrong with that . I will ask our panel right after this. Talk about not rising above partisanship, president obamas News Conference today not only didnt include any talk of compromise, but he wheeled out the old nasty cliches about the republicans not caring about the old and the sick. Lets welcome a former Obama Campaign aide joining our panel. Kate obenshain and robert costa. Kate, besides talking about how republicans hate the sick, hate the young, hate everybody disabled. Yeah, disabled. Sorry about that. He also made sure to include that he wants more taxes. More taxes. Obama care taxes are already kicking in. We just had a tax increase on investors and Small Businesses. Can you beat that, more taxes . This should come as a surprise to nobody, larry. Obamas goal is not some sound economy when he as his legacy, his goal is as to fundamentally transform america where we have a vastly expanded size of government. He wont talk about cuts except little ones on the side. But he wants to continue to expand government. He doesnt care about deficits. Hes not going to deal on this. You know, a couple of times during the News Conference, i was interested in this. President obama said to congress, go ahead, give me the power and ill issue more debt. Thats really what he wants. He wants the power to issue unlimited debt so he can have unlimited spending and eventually hes going to get around to unlimited tax hikes. Well, to be clear, as you know, when we talk about the debt, the president doesnt get to decide, you know, how much were spending thats something that rests with congress. But in terms of what kate was saying with respect to, you know, him wanting to not really offer any cuts hes incurred the wrath of his party by offering chain cpi to Social Security. Thats a reindexing of the cost of living index, revising down how much elderly people are getting. And he talk about potential fixes to medicare, potentially raising the age. It is not true that hes not willing to do that. Ill say there are a lot of people on the left who are not happy with him at all for that. I get that, but robert costa, i know the president says that. Blake is right. But the democrats in the senate hate it. They hate it. Democrats in the house, they hate it. They hate any cuts at all. Especially these little mini, weenie entitlement cuts that dont change any structures. Robert costa, obama wants this power, doesnt he . He wants Unlimited Power to keep increasing the debt because his party wants him to keep on spending. Isnt that the bottom line of this whole story . Oh, obama is very effective at pushing the Republican Party into a corner. Remember, in the fiscal cliff he gets the republicans to cave on their pledge. They would allow some tax rates to go up after the fiscal cliffs happen and now hes saying to himself, the republicans did that on taxes. Let me see if i can get more taxes and revenue as part of the debt ceiling. This is a political game hes playing. Kate, i have to tell you, i goes 30 seconds. You said it first. Gop needs a clear message, dont they . A clear message. They better get one really fast, larry, because what the what the president does terrifies them when he threatens to blame them. When he says that they hate all of these different interest groups, women, poor people, that is so effective. We need the real courageous conservatives, where is paul ryan . You said it earlier, where is marco rubio, where are the articulate champions of Smaller Government and Economic Prosperity . They need to get out in front. Ill tell you what else, kate, they need a growth message. Economic growth because im sorry, blake, but were still plugging along at 2 . And its not good. And the president cant keep blaming george w. Bush. Blake zeff, Kate Obenshain, robert costa. Well be here tomorrow night. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. Take tylenol or take aleve, the 1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. Just two aleve can keep pain away all day. Back to the news