Transcripts For CNBC Mad Money 20160629

Overs. But today the dow roared, the s p rocketed. And the nasdaq. We have another phenomenon at work. And its called rerating. Something when one Company Gives us a newfound positive. Were basically upgrading stocks from hold to buy mentally. Now today we had a whole host of reratings. It colored the whole tape so to speak. Its true that we cant go poof, or voila. You need a special backdrop to make the magic happen. Its all been done by analogy. Its about being willing to buy something at a higher price, because you think yesterdays price was just plain too low for that enterprise. Amazing a few days after the brexit vote, which we were told would be the end of the financial world, at least as we know it, we have the backup thats necessary for a rerate. Investors are now realizing maybe they were a little bit too headstrong about dumping stocks wholesale. Sure, the United Kingdom has chosen a path that will have high highly chances of recession. You have to look at the whole p panoply. It means that stocks are less dire than we thought and starting to rally. In some ways, its back to where we were before the brexit vote, one week ago. We find the stock market takes its cue from the price of oil. The correlation is back in play. The price of crude bounced off of 46 where it sank post brexit. That reflects genuine strength in the economy and its very positive for stocks. The big change from last time . When oil was here section dix d we were worried that the Federal Reserve would raise Interest Rates five or six times. We have stock nirvana. Higher oil and higher Interest Rates. Hallelujah thats Fertile Ground for the type of rating im talking about. Just because we have rerating, doesnt mean you have to stay away from the world of financials. A host of banks got approved by the fed after the close to buyback stocks and increase dividends, something badly needed if its ever going to get out of its miserable run. Maybe were getting some relief. So what sectors are going from hold to buy here with on the fly reratings . This week, a giant time share company, for 25. 30 in cash. Now whats happening is that off that deal were getting the rerating in the form of pin action. Were seeing the rerating of everything. Similar Business Model to diamond popped over 4 . Perhaps we werent paying enough for this asset. Marriotts had its best day in years, jumping 44. 5 . Suddenly, this disappointing group, [ baby crying ] which had been rated negatively for a long time, is back in the fashion show. How about price line, expedia, trip adviser, the Online Travel cohort. Theyre probably not concerned about the longterm impact of airbnb, which has been the psychological bain of the groups existence. Theyve got southwest and delta moving up. The technicians are dying on this. They thought they are all going down. Its been ages since the Airline Groups seen buyers. However, fleeting to the west sector in the entire book. What else got rerated . Consider the slowgrowing food stocks, general mills. Keeping the yield around 3 . That small beat translated into a 3 rally for kellogg, kraft and others. Then yeawere going to pay morer the other consistent members of the cohort. Then theres knight. So many people got it wrong. It put the stock down 20 . The sle sellers were worried ab some future orders, unforgivable. If youre watching mad money, you just shouldnt be doing that stuff. What people were worried about was the wrong thing, wrong metric. They should be worried about the inventory. The whole apparel business has had too much apparel. Nike said north american inventory is now clean. No more backlog. Bingo, that was the signal for under armour and lululemon and footlock footlocker. Now there were a host of other stocks that went higher, the banks, and those huge buybacks, and the dividend boost. Health care because of positive comments about a couple of biotechs. And stocks that had been doing well before brexit. But to me, its the reratings of these doggie dog sectors that took center stage. Because with the possible exception of the food group, these were the worse stocks in this market of before and after brexit. We didnt like the leisure stocks and the airlines, especially transports which hadnt participated at all in any major advance this year, and that had been flat, therefore a major overhang on the market. We also despised everything retail. More on retail later in the show. To see a bellwether like nike to give us hope is a big deal, plus footlocker could go higher, especially after its subpar quarter. Yesterday was a relief rally. Today was something a little more permanent. A rerating of some previously despised stocks. Its a welcome change. And it may lead to more positive change. Who knows what could happen to those Companies Alive and well and making great money. Ed kndie in florida. Caller as you know, following the e. Coli outbreak at chipotle, they are taking steps. Now all those short sellers have been pounding the stock to oblivion, including yesterday sir, i think theyll be wrong. I think theyll be wrong, and ill tell you why. Companies in there buying back stock. People came back, taco bell came back. Chipotle will come back. Andrew caller heres a booyah coming at you. Marathon oils going to buy cave rock. Was i correct in assuming the oil purchase in oklahoma was a good buy, and if so, why did marathon oil get so little coverage when they announced the acquisition . People dont, they cut their dividend. That caused a lot of people to say, you know what, weve got to be careful. I saw a piece in real money today on the leviathan field in israel. Lets go to devontae. Caller hello, mr. Cramer. Good afternoon. Caller last year i bought over 50 shares of paypal for 39 39. 72. Should i hold or sell . Paypal, you can follow what we do before we make our move, and we sold a lot of it above 40, its now coming back down. Were within a come of points of where we want to buy it again, but not yet, why . Because the analysts are so negative, they keep shooting at it. Youve got to wait until they stop until you can possibly dip your toe in the water. I think its a good sign for Companies Alive and kicking. Mad money tonight, it seems wall street may have lost its appetite for fast food. Im sitting down with ceo of sonic to see about returns. And the long holiday means big sales. Ill tell you if its time to start shopping for retail stocks. And its the largest tractor in the world, and its being unveiled tonight. We have the ceo of agco. So stick with cramer dont miss a second of mad money. Follow jimcramer on twitter. Tweet madtweets. Or give us a call at 1800743cnbc. Miss something . 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It has allday breakfast and value menus. It was doing well when so many competitors were ailing. And last week we got justification for weakness. On thursday after the close, son eck reported a slight one penny earning off a 42 basis. Big deceleration samestore sales growth from 65 in the previous quarter. Imagine talking about an industrywide slow down, possibly because of the Rainy Weather in april and may. Sonic might be attractive because as an excellent longterm story, they are in the process of franchising. More importantly, thats going to smooth out their earnings and volatility. Think of dominos pizza. But the stocks only worth buying if were dealing with a shortterm stumble, not a longterm issue. Lets check in with the ceo of sonic. Welcome back to mad money. Thank you, jim, grad to lad with you. Ive never seen you stuck. Ive never seen you say, were not quite sure whats going on. Im hoping youve had a little soul searching, because its unlike you and unlike sonic. Were certainly aware and comfortable with the initiatives that we have under way. What were less certain about is whats happening with the consumer. The consumer went through Something Like an attitudal shift in a broad basis. This was something that took all of us by surprise. The weather, yes, you mentioned, was unseasonably cool. Weave got the heat back, and its a good deal drier. As our business got soft late april into may with those weather issues and the consumer shift, as that occurred, we shifted to a little bit more of a value promotion to drive traffic and reversed some of the things we saw in may. The challenge was we were selling less drink and ice cream. Just about now, our media weights are shifting. Were still focussing on that value piece, the sonic boom box. But the media shift is occurring literally this week where were also promoting drinks and ice cream. So we should start seeing that pick up, and were anxious to see that pick up in this warmer, drier weather. I get natural gas figures by the hour, and the use of natural gas and air conditioning this week is way off the charts. Your timing couldnt be better. How about this competition issue. Its always been more difficult. Look, its, the industry, as you say, its an intense industry from a competitive stand point. Somebodys always trying to pickoff the stuff were doing, somebody is. Whos doing it now well, a little bit everybody is doing it, the Convenience Stores are trying to get breakfast and drink business, and dairy queens trying to get our ice cream, burger king is trying to get our hot dog business. But it is essential for us at this time of the year, because in the summer, we make hay while the sun shines. We sell more drinks and ice cream in the summertime. Its only this week that the medias been shifted back to those weights in those products in addition of the sonic boom box. Lets talk about labor costs. Many n im in the Restaurant Business myself. People arent thinking about opening up restaurants. How are you able to manage minimum wages and competitive wages against the other people in your industry . The competitive wage situation is one where were all on the same plane. I see that as a little bit less of a challenge. But there is growing pressure. Were in the Southern Plains is the greatest market penetration, texas and surrounding states do account for a majority of our revenues. But, yeah. I know you care about your work and what youre he doing. I happen to give mean oney to t School Next Door to me. You have a campaign called limeades for learning. You care more about just the shareholders and customers, not that those arent important constituencies. Tell us about Something Else youre doing. Weve had the limeade for learning Program Since 2009. Weve stepped it up quite dramatically. What this involves is sonic supporting classroom teacher grants all across our system. Every market where we do business, and whoell be contributing about 5 million a year. Month of may, we committed 1 1 million in the month of may alone. This is supporting teachers who very often, public schoolteachers, docking out of their pockets for materials for their students. This is where we do business and are a good corporate citizen. This stock has come down. Is this a case where its temporary . Well, we have announced ongoing that we have a stock repurchase program, recently, it strikes me, i think it was april we made the release that our board had increased that once again. And in the immediate circumstance, weve got about 155 Million Program focussed on stock repurchases. The rate we do that we only announce after the fact. But we have worked to aggressively focus on that when there have been buying opportunities, and i would describe it as a buying opportunity. Lets leave it at that. Thank you so much, cliff hudson, chairman and ceo of sonic, thank you. Happy to be with you. Thank you. Coming up, what happens when the worlds biggest tractor visits mad money. The ceo of agco has an important message, and hes breaking the news to crimamer when mad money returns. Its time to circle back to one of the most troubled groups out there, Department Stores, especially because nike just reported positive numbers. Maybe things are Getting Better out there. The polarization of this group has been staggering. Since peaking last year, kohls is down 53 . Nordstrom down 53 . The two exceptions of the Department Stores that didnt peak in 2015, mostly because if it had been free falling for years, jc penneys and sears. Things have gotten so bad, you have to start asking yourselves, which of them has what it takes to survive in this ultra hostile environment. Thats why were going to rank these stores for survivability. Meaning their ability to survive the onslaught of amazon, the valueconscious consumer, the design of the Shopping Mall and some sort of fatigue in shopping in general. Were going to grade each Department Store. How fast the sales are falling, how fast the earnings are shrinking. We going to rank them from 16. And when we add up the scores we come up with buys and sells. Lets start with brothers. The only difficulty is figuring out who comes in first, nordstrom or j krchc penney. The fact is pennys up against some easy comparisons after years of mismanagement. Plus nordstrom is the overall biggest revenue growth, 6. 9 gain in 2015 versus 3 for pe y pennipenn pennys. Kohls comes in third. Its better than dillards in fourth place with a 5 decline which was in turn better than macys. Last place goes to sears holdings. It posted a 6. 1 drop in store sales last quarter. Then we have survivability. How badly are the earnings getting damaged . Jc penney is the clear western. Ev winner. The companys margins continue to expand, including a 350 basis point upcrease in t point increase. Macys comes in second, despite its earnings per share coming down 28. 6 the last quarter. In third we have this dillards which saw market erosion, but worse was kohls. You might wonder what could be more hideous, how about nordstr nordstrom. Fifth place, down 60 , actually a little lower than that. The companys spending heavily. Sears, losing money hands over fist saw a dramatic last quarter. Ouch. The next thing, major insight in the ability of these stores to remain solvent. Dillards comes in first place. In terms of the companys actual survival. That means the store is safe. Nordstrom comes in second, even though they have 1. 15 billion in debt. Macys comes in third. It has a cleaner Balance Sheet than nordstrom as a vast bulk of macys debt doesnt come due until 2020. And even though its spread out over the following two decades, macys has over 1. 1 billion in cash. However, macys saw its Free Cash Flow sink. Thats why i think nordstroms in a better position. Kohls, fourth place, it has a debtladen Balance Sheet but none of it comes due until after 2021. Im too nervous, the truth is, kohls didnt generate enough earnings per share to cover the payout. Its a red flag, plus the precash flow. Pennys comes in fifth, heinous Balance Sheet. 2. 7 billion, but 4. 8 billion in debt. However they plan to pay off in the next two years. I know its repetitive, sears. They will likely continue selling off assets to pay its debts. Given that the companys cash flow gets worse. And thats without addressing pension obligations. They have the ability to sell or monday advertise something in order to prolong the agony. Finally, the strategic flexion nl. Meaning the ability to resist amazon. Addressing the value conscious consumer. Nordstroms doing everything they can to fend off competition and reach the sweet spot. Second place goes it pennys. Theyve made some really savvy moves, including bolstering its partnership with sephora for instore salons. Remember sephora cosmetics have become a necessity in this era of incredibly highresolution selfies. Third place going to kohls. Unfortunately, kohls hasnt done much, and theres management uncertainty. Macys comes in fourth. Theyve really struggled to adapt. We thought at one time they really had it goingoing. Their longtime ceo is stepping down. Dillards is in fifth place by default, we already know what they are doing. Familyowned company. We barely heard a peep out of management. But thats still better than sears, the worst of the Department Stores. They also have kmart. Run by a Hedge Fund Manager with fewer and fewer options as time goes on. Sears has been left behind, and it doesnt help that their ceo announced his departure. So lets add up the results of the four categories to get the final Department Store standings, and remember, the company with the lowest points win, while the one in the highest is in most danger. Macys and kohls have 14. Id stay away from all the Department Stores, nordstrom is the most safe, followed by jc penney, and dillards. The stronger players may be worth the trade for the people who arent afraid, but not for the squeamish, though, and if youre stuck, given what nike said, you may be able to get out higher than you started. Lets go to zachary in west virginia. Caller dr. Cramer, thank you for taking my call. I wanted to get your take on whole foods given their new 365 concept. They have run into one of the longest streaks of bad luck i have come across. And i think they are going to come through. Meanwhile, the stock has stopped going down, even though it reported a couple subpar quarters. The 365 is doing well. Whole foods is inexpensive. It wouldnt hurt you to own some. James in new york. James. Caller booyah, jim. Jamie from long island, new york. Thank you for taking my call. Of course. Caller my question is, what do you think of designer shoe warehouse . I bought it in 2015. It hadnt moved much. Should i hold it, and if yes, should i add to my position . Not a fave, not a fave. Hasnt done well. A lot of people are in it for a takeover basis. Its gone down too much. Even though its a discounter, id rather be in a dollar tree or dollar general. Rich in new york, rich. Caller hello. Hey, whats up . Caller god bless you my stock is kimball realty. Whats your price tag if you can say, and whats the long term. This is one where i will say that these guys know that when in the darkest moments, when everyone was laughing at them and saying they were going to be amazon i came out and said pull the trigger, 52week high, 3, and it yields 3. 3 . But its a winner, not a loser. Now you have your survival guide. I wouldnt spend too much time out there in the elements, but a shorttime trade, it might work. If one things for certain, its that everyone around the world has to eat. Ill tell you if its time to harvest one global ag play. And have you heard of crouching tiger hidden brexit . Probably not. Its in limited release. Have no fear, im bringing you this and the lightning round people talk about deals on their auto insurance. Wouldnt a deal involve two parties discussing something . A little give . A little take . Because last time you checked, your rate was just, whatever they say it is. Why not give you some say in the matter . Or even better let your driving do the talking. Liberty mutual righttrack finally puts you in control of your rates. All you have to do is connect, drive and save. In fact, safe driving could save you up to 30 . With 5 off just for signing up. For righttrack. And the discount is good for the life of your policy. To get started, visit a local office or call Liberty Mutual today at take control of your rates. Visit a local office or call see Car Insurance in a whole new light. Liberty Mutual Insurance could we be approaching a turn around in the agricultural space . And the stock of agco, the worlds Third Largest maker of Agricultural Equipment was flying high. And pretty solid quarter in april. But ever since the brexitinduced selloff, the stock has gotten pummelled. Today up less than a buck from its monday lows, despite todays marketwide rebound. The ag business may be returning. The simple fact agco announced its buying sim bria holdings. In a deal that should bolster their seed and grain business. So lets take a closer look with the chairman, ceo and president of agco to learn more about this deal and get a peek at the latest tractor model. Let me ask you something. I am looking at what i regard as being one of the biggest machines i have ever seen, at the same time, the ag business is not so hot. Is it the right time to introduce this monster . This beast has accepted the seam horsepower as famous astin martin of james bond. So why is it attractive for america . Because its very compact, very powerful, and actually performance will outperform the competitors. Give me the value proposition, im a farmer, why would i want this over john deere . First you would have to pay 400,000, to 450,000. Plus the return on invest is short. It can replace two john deeres. This guy does the work of two traditional tractors. Which would cost, apparently two together would be more than this. Exactly. And you have lower fuel consumption. Excellent value for money. One of the things that youve taught us is this ag cycle is a tough one. Yet you seem committed to buying back stock, spending on r d im slightly more optimistic for 2017. We will perform pretty well. I think we will deliver on what we promised. And as you mentioned before, brexit is a nobrainer for us. Martin, explain to me how its a nobrainer, because i know this time europe was bad for you this quarter. Europe is not doing so well. We have that in our plan so therefore for us its not a surprise. There are certain areas of europe doing better. And then of course england is not an important market. We dont manufacture in england, because when they decided not to be a euro country, we had to move out. Because exporting with england with a very high pound was not feasible. Now you recently had a sha shareholder had gotten involved, this blue harbor. Any insight from them . They help . They hurt . They like you . They dont like you . So far theyre very positive. Cliff is a great guy. Hes also a supporter. He talks very, very positive about us of the management team. I think theyre have strategic, and they believe we will do much better in the near future. All right. Weve got big consolidation in the seed industry. Everyone is saying the same thing exaept for bayer in germany. What are the signs that we need to see that people know this . Actually, first of all, you see the first signs that the commodity price has come back again. Farm income in many countries is doing better. Argentina with a new government with new strategies. They discontinue export taxes. Brazil, hopefully will going into the same direction, so overall, the environment does get a little bit more friendly, and fortunately, people in europe start to think about, reconsider the sanctions. So maybe also russia will come back soon. I know youre always traveling. Youre in the great capitals, b youve spent time in germany. It looks like you could take sanctions forever, but russias not done anything since then. I think sanctions are an oldfashioned tool of politics. Its much better to sit and talk and sort it out. And i think were close to getting the german secretary of formen affairs indicated that the time is ripe to talk. Lets circle back to this great machine. Selling in the united states, introducing on our show . This is the p lounge. My guys dont like it so much. They want to do it at a big event. This is a big event. I have to explain to them what the deal is. What can be bigger than your show, and this, actually, is the tractor for the cat distribution. So all cat dealers who have the contract will have this. Now our top ten dealers in america are caterpillar dealers. I dont know much about tractors, but it is an incredible machine. It can go as slow as a snail and win the kentucky derby. You can drive it easily better than your car. Fourwheel drive. Im not that good a driver. I hope so. Mad moneys back after the break. Thank you very much. It is time [ buzzer ] are you ready . Were going to start with rich. Caller jim, how are you doing today . Just wanted to showay i love th show and thanls you fk you for y call. With all the diversity in the market, im sitting on a bunch of shares. Youre in good shape. Lets go to bill. Caller hi, jim, im calling in regards to sparks therapeutics, theyre involved in gene transfer therapy, neurological diseases. They are an incredibly speculative stock. We had a couple biostocks that did some moves. It makes me uneasy, but once theyve done secondaries, i feel if anything goes wrong, lets just say [ screaming ] joe in new jersey. Joe . Caller my question is general electric. General electric goes with nelson. Made you a lot of money, then hell be buying back stock hand over fist and you should too. I think you should own ge. Anthony . Tennessee. Caller a Great Billing tennessee volume tears n tennessee volume tearsteevolunt. I do not know what they invest in. Im not going to do it. Im going to say dont buy. Go to francis in new york. Francis . Caller hello, mr. Cramer, thank you for sharing your wondrous knowledge. O youve helped me increase my retirement money. Is it too late to buy verizon . I wouldnt recommend buying veriz verizon. That said, dont want to be pennywise. Lets go to cayman in new york. Caller hey, cramer, a big millennial millennial booyah. Ive been adding with stx. Freeport has a very bad Balance Sheet, but theyre trying to fix it. I have to say, dont buy, dont buy. The fossil fuels that are doing well also have problems. How about mike in new jersey . Mike . Caller hey, hows it going, its your old neighbor from summit. Im asking about the company alumina. Alumina is a hold, but thermal fisher, 16 times earnings, better company, came off big from a high. Tmo is the better buy. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of the lightning round. [ buzzer ] the lightning round is sponsored by td ameritrade. 4 working 24 7 on mobile trader, rated 1 trading app on the app store. It lets you trade stocks, options, futures. Even advanced orders. And it offers more charts than a lot of other competitors do on desktop. You work so late. I guess you dont see your family very much . I see them all the time. Did you finish your derivatives pricing model, honey . Td ameritrade. Everybodys been distracted by the United Kingdom exactly when we should have been watching the middle kingdom, the old name for china. Weve got a crouching tiger, hidden by brexit scenario. Im talking about the strength ever since britain decided to leave the eu. By any objective measure, china, the worlds secondlargest economy matters a heck of a lot more than the uk, right . Thats the fifth largest economy. And it is manifested in multiple ways. A 2 rally in the shanghai market since the brexit vote. It would suggest that chinas importing more raw goods, along with a rally in oil and copper. Yesterday we got not one but two incredibly positive reports from the Chinese Consumer. Im talking about the chinese results from Carnival Cruise and nike, which were totally out of whack with the bear thesis. Both of these companies had big brands at their core. They typically cost more than most Chinese People could have afforded just a few years ago. Their sales are spurred by the great migration from the country to the city. And yesterday we got further evidence of an acceleration in Chinese Consumer spending, the ceo of carnival talked up championship as the strongest region in the Carnival Cruise world. He said, and i quote, china, which is destined to be the Worlds Largest cruise market continues to deliver returns on investment capital. Ween earned growth and expect t deliver accretive growth through the end of the year. The Company Wants to grow capacity quickly because of heightened consumer demand. I tried to get him to say there had to be some slowing in the chinese market. And he refused to deviate from his positive message. Nike was even more definitive. China remains their leading growth market. They pointed out in Greater China we had a truly incredible year. Q4 revenue growth, 20 . Strong growth in nearly every category across footwear and appar apparel. Plus nike experienced an astounding 44 increase in chinesedirect to consumer sales and they introduced a new running store concept. China continues to be one of the worlds Fastest Growing markets in terms of consumption. In addition to tremendous revenue growth, all this good news help propel nikes stock almost 4 . The same cannot be said for china, its clearly better off. The data points are up, not down. Thats why the uk blow seems to have softened, all the queens horses and all the queens men, yes, indeed, can put the humptydumpty union back together again. Stick with cramer. Travel and leisure, its a bull market somewhere. Im jim cramer, and i will see you tomorrow did america change its policy from promoting development in america, in, in, in america . Trump tees off on trade. Its a disaster. How does it impact the u. S. And its workers. Have brexit fears left you shaken up . So are you missing an opportunity to add your portfolio . Are you being watched at work . What i [ bleep ] said we know what key phrases in your email will get you flagged as one big company. Cnbc investigates