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A couple people asked me what was going to happen, said, hey, cramer, booyah, is this thing for real now . I mean, are we really in trouble . I knew right then wed have a nasty selloff and we did, dow sinking 137 points, s p giving up. 90 . Nasdaq plunging. I knew it because the politicians have finally been able to create enough concern in enough people that its being chatted about in the street. Now it is ironic and tragic and sad that washington was also the scene of a real life and death drama today. Im talking about the artificial one created by the politicians. Both sides have started accomplishing what i perceive as their actual goal, which is to embarrass each other, stigmatize each other, make us feel the other side has a reason to worry about being reelected. Our savings are also affected by the debate in washington. One side, the other side or both are able to paralyze us with enough fear and truly hurt us with the collateral damage. Well, we havent really cared about it. But today, we started caring. Now, im not going to tell you how i feel what can or should happen. I want them to settle their differences, allow the country to sell some bonds without defaulting. I dont know why the republicans dont just give in on the debt ceiling thing. Theyre playing real hardball over the budget, offering substantive, not rejectionist changes that make life better for most of the citizens. I, like you, am tired of hearing that either side wants to negotiate. I know nothing will get done until there is more hardship. We have to have more hardship. Market has to go still lower because nobody pressures washington until it really hurts much more than its hurting now. Its not hurting enough yet. I kept thinking if i were a politician in that coffee cart this morning listening id be jumping up with joy to see how people are really finally getting scared. Its kind of like the village burning with napalm in apocalypse now, its the smell of victory for these politicians. Lets leave the fantasy and deal with reality. The moment we transition into this is for real, there are going to be insanely stupid and vicious and unwilling to compromise. Thats the moment when its time to do what actually worries me. As me, as involved with the business world. You know what it is . You know what moment were at . Its the moment we start cutting the earnings estimates of the companies we follow. This goes to this. Hey, we saw that yesterday in united technology, a Great American company said there are 5,000 jobs at risk because the government closure. Terrific, 5,000 people at utex alone about to lose their jobs because of the principle of what . What are they fighting for . Do you have any idea how hard it is for washington to make up for the 5,000 jobs theyre costing . They can wipe them out in a threeday shutdown. Hey, hey. You think its going to be any different for Lockheed Martin or General Dynamics . If i were an analyst following the companies, i would cut numbers before tomorrow morning, before the open. Why not get ahead of this thing . Saying, hey, im taking down my rating. Obviously, though, the pervasive nature of all of this is percolating through the system. Last night we had ceo of paychex on the show. I happen to be a customer of paychex and i have to tell you that i met with partners in the businesses im involved in, and in every case, we had to estimate how much business we could lose or how we could slow things down spending wise because were no longer in a hurry to do things fast. Why bother if three weeks from now the governments going to default . Who is going to spend . Who is going to travel . Who is going to want to eat out in that situation . Each business im involved is a Service Business which caters to that trade. I know what im talking about here. Im nervous. Take this morning, one of my colleagues at thestreet. Com who picks stocks for a living asked me advice on a company that leases and maintains uniforms. I said sell it. Colleague says why . I said because the numbers are too high given whats going on in washington. Why would you expand and need more uniforms if the politicians have made it clear that the economys going to collapse. Who starts spending ahead of a calamity . Hey, calamity coming, let me spend a lot of money . Now, you could argue that all this is fanciful and soon to be a resolution to which i say why do you think that . You having a lot of pain . I think pain factor is just beginning here. There hasnt been enough heartache. They want more heartache and pain. There havent been enough days where its hard to make ends meet. We havent had enough down 137 days yet. But if youre involved in real business, you know that when people are buzzing about a calamity, you better get ahead of it and stop your hiring and start your firing. Just like stages of hiring and firing in the real world. There are stages of buying and selling in the stock world. Today as it sank in theres a siege going on and the odds of solving this thing are growing longer, not shorter, by the day, we started having to include what i call the mickey mouse factor when it comes to stocks. Yes, as in the u. S. Has become a mickey mouse place to invest. We need to understand the lack of primacy the United States has these days. When i was in the Money Management business in the 80s and 90s, there were two worlds, the u. S. And everyone else. We were no longer so big we can stand on our own. We need people from other countries. But investors around the world, they dont want any mickey mouse factors at all when theyre choosing where to put their money. Like, oh, yeah, they may not pay their debt. Thats called mickey mouse. Who needs this market when it could implode two weeks from now . Why not go to more stable markets like germany or United Kingdom or japan . They have a very low to no mickey mouse factor. Italys got it. They dealt with their mickey mouse problem much better than we have. Now, i know that in the end we have a government thats not as good as its people and its corporations. Im totally confident that you and i and the stock market will get through this period. Everyone has to recognize this was day one when chaos intruded into daily life. It will take another week before the majority realizes the pickle were in and knows were really looking mickey mouse to everyone else on earth. Im sure well fly up at one point tomorrow, as we always do on fridays when the short sellers fear that there could be a deal over the weekend. Thats how it always is with these political fights. The cycle will start all over again on monday if theres no deal. Heres the bottom line. The fear factor and mouse factor are now percolating, and with that, were going to get number cuts and downgrades galore as analysts try to get ahead of events. I have warned that it was going to get ugly before it gets pretty. Thanks, washington, for welcoming us to the club, the Mickey Mouse Club of lowered estimates, lowered expectations and lower stock prices. In the name of, oh, when you figure that out, would you let me know . Its way beyond my pay grade. Michael in michigan. Michael . Caller jim, thanks for taking my call and let me give you a big michigan go blue booyah. Okay. Sounds good. Whats up . Caller all right. Ticker symbol ael, american investments, American Equity Investment life holding. Its a predominantly fixed index annuity and fixed annuity company, like 95 of their investments, thats where it comes from. And im a little confused because a lot of it is a tenyear treasury. And ill try to make this quick, but people like annuities. Caller huh . People like annuities. They think its a better deal than owning just cds. Caller i know. Im sorry. Go ahead. Caller i know. My point is with everybody like yourself saying you need to be out of treasuries and be in equities so forth, i see and look at the stock and im in and out of it and the float is just crazy right now, its like 29 . There isnt any shorts available at least to the brokerage i go through. Is this a short squeeze . Yeah, i think it is a short squeeze. A huge amount of stocks short. Id be careful on that. I dont like those situations. A lot of people like to go on the backs of the short sellers. We want to have fundamentals going for us. This stocks up a lot. Maybe its you know, id be a seller rather than a buyer. Lets go to max in florida. Max . Caller booyah to you, dr. Cramer. Exactly. Caller i want to know if you feel as i do that elon musk and his world class engineers will engineer their way through the recent problems much like boeing would, and maybe downgrade would be the rain on the parade. Do you think this stock will run until the end of the year . You know, when you see the video of the tesla car, i must have watched it ten times, i was fascinated. And when youre fascinated and the stock is up 400 , therell be people who say im not waiting around for the second fire, and thats where you are right now. I have always said this stock goes up until they execute poorly. This was not their fault, but when people read a video, and they own that stock, theyll say im selling it because the next one will be as bad. Unless theres not a next one, the stock is going to go lower. Thats the problem, people are going to keep waiting for the next one. Tesla, its finally time to take a little profit if you ive stood by and watched it as a cult stock. If i were part of the cult, i would feel less cultish after today. Can i go to dominic in new jersey, please, dominic . Caller hey, jim, hows it going . All right. How about you . Caller hanging in there. My question to you is around imfa. Yes. As we continue to see corporate push to cloud technology, it appears well positioned to benefit their daily integration systems. And the signal that were getting, guidance from the company and the ceo is that theyre looking to more than double in size over the next two years, whether its by you remember the couple of shortfalls we had here. You know, we just had some really bad shortfalls. We felt the last shortfall was the one that was the bottom. But now its up a lot from the shortfall. Id like to see a couple of really good quarters before i get as bullish as you are. Congrats, washington, your mickey mouse antics what can i say . Youve officially lowered the bar, and when we get out, well, beats me, but i do know this, no matter what, mickey, well get it together. Mad money will be right back. Coming up time to connect . From Cyber Security to server performance, f5 networks is becoming one of the biggest players in the i. T. Game. Does the recent price dip make it prime for plugging in, or should you browse for a better portal . Dont miss cramers take. And later, hidden find . Cramers been blazing a trail through the energy industry, tapping into the Companies Striking black gold. Now a newly minted stock has caught his eye and could be ready to heat things up. Stick around for the big reveal. Plus, export economy . Dominion resources is leading the charge toward exporting american natural gas. As we move closer to shipping out our vast reserves, is now the time to hop aboard . Dont miss cramers exclusive with its ceo, all coming up on mad money. Dont miss a second of mad money. Follow jimcramer on twitter. Have a question . Tweet cramer madtweets. Send jim an email to madmoney cnbc. Com or give us a call at 1800743cnbc. Miss something . Head to madmoney. Cnbc. Com. [ maplays a key role resethroughout our lives. Alth one a day mens 50 is a complete multivitamin designed for mens Health Concerns as we age. With 7 antioxidants to support cell health. One a day mens 50 . Did nana ever give you cheerios when you were a little kid . Yeah, she did. Were cheerios the same back then . Cheerios has pretty much been the same forever. So. When we have cheerios, its kind of like we are having breakfast with nana. Yeah. Yeah. Youre so smart. After todays delayed reaction session where the market finally really did get crushed thanks to the budget fight, were going to have to start getting a little opportunistic. The Government Shutdown has only just begun and even worse the debt ceiling drama is coming to a head two weeks from now. Consider it the second barrel of a doublebarrelled shotgun that our elected leaders have aimed right at the heart of the financial markets. That doesnt mean we have to give up. Doesnt mean we sit on the sidelines like spectators until everything gets resolved. Although you should have been raising cash in your portfolio for weeks. Didnt look that smart when it kept rallying every night, but feels a lot smarter now. You know what, if youve got that cash on the sidelines, lets start thinking about how to put it to work in more days like we had today, because there will be more weakness. See, on days like today, i find it important to remember that when stocks go down, shocker, they get cheaper. They become more, not less, attractive. Selloffs like this one create opportunities. This is a stock you can pick out on the way down, gradually build a position as the averages head lower. It would not have been down today if the stock market hadnt been done. See, thats right, washington is giving us a fire sale. I want you to put f5 networks. I have not liked this stock in years. Ffiv, right at the top of your Shopping List. F5 is the leading player in the Application Delivery networking business, dont let your eyes glaze over. Means they provide hardware and software that helps Companies Securely and efficiently manage the delivery of application and data traffic on their networks. Big data management. Their products ensure that the traffic doesnt jam up the network and they also make everything secure which is important. Although they sell both hardware and software here, its on the Software Side where f5 truly excels, which is why they have a sky high 83 gross margin. Usually Gross Margins at the 60 level and the gross margin being what the Company Makes after the cost of the sales of a software business. I want you to think of f5 as an Agnostic Software provider. With the use of cloud computing, its more important than ever that the information stored in data centers be able to flow quickly and securely to the right people, not just people, but to the right ones. Now, i used to say that f5 represented the fast lane of the information superhighway. Ive been rethinking that. Its not clear. This company is more like the person who directs all of the stoplights in the big city, keeping the traffic moving as fast as possible while still ensuring safety. We need f5 considering that internet protocol traffic should triple between now and 2017 as networks move data, voice, video and all sorts of Additional Services throughout the web. But heres the thing, after delivering some incredible outperformance in the rebound from the great recession, f5 has turned into a genuine bow wow, a real dog. The stock is down 9 for the year even though the nasdaq is flying, in part because the company missed numbers in a big way during the spring. Took another nasty hit today along with the rest of the market falling above 43. F5 is still down 4 while cisco has given you an 11 gain even though theyve disappointed too. Thats the same period. And remember, during much of that time, cisco was not doing well. Ciscos outperformed f5 even though theyve both been doing okay. Why am i telling you to put f5 on your Shopping List . F5 is working aggressively to turn things around. This could become a comeback play, a turnaround. The stock has come down to the point where its extremely cheap. Its never been cheap before. And as the crisis in washington continues to unfold, i bet it gets cheaper. 16 of cash per share, the stock is selling for 17. 3 times next years earnings, that multiple falls to less than 15 times earnings when you back out the cash. This is usually a company that has had twice the market multiple, now its below the market multiple. Let me put that valuation in perspective, please. At the moment, f5 has a longterm growth rate of 13. 9 , trading at slightly more than one times growth. Consider the historical context. Since 2007 on average f5 has sold for 24 times earnings. If you gave this stock that multiple, you know what, this thing would be at 122. Thatd be almost 40 higher than it was if it just reverted. However, im not simply banking on reversion here. Statistics speak to the fact that all sorts of things return to their historical average. Maybe much higher as well as higher earnings estimates. Remember, you get the price of a stock by multiplying the estimates and then the estimates and then figuring out what the p is, m times e equals p. Two weeks ago Cantor Fitzgerald initiated coverage with a very compelling buy recommendation, slapped a 110 price target on the stock. And would represent a gain of more than 21 points from these levels. How can f5 get there . When we talk about tech, tech trades on new product cycles. As products get older, the sales decline and then Companies Come out with new and significantly improved models and sales come roaring back with a vengeance. Thats the tale of the tech. In the most recent quarter, they posted a 10 yearoveryear decline in product revenues. Thats because it was at the trough of the key product cycle. The company now has the biggest product line refresh in four years in the works and when these new products hit the market, theyll return to growth. Plus the company will be up against easy comparisons thanks to the softness of its recent quarters. F5s core application represents a 5 billion total adjustable market, one that can expand to 14 billion. F5 is a big chunk of that pie. And their market share could grow as cisco has dropped out of direct competition here. About a year ago, they stopped designing new Application Delivery products and with f5s next generation product line coming through, they could sweep away the remaining market share in this space. I thought this was a compelling fact. Beyond that, f5 is moving to new areas with big sales coming related to mobile, security and the cloud. Three incredible themes. According to Cantor Fitzgerald, f5 could have a 20 billion total adjustable market. Keep in mind this is a fierce competitor. How about some catalyst here . First of all, the Company Reports on october 23rd. Im actually giving you this story ahead. I usually wait for the quarter. I wouldnt be at all surprised if they actually beat the expectations because theyve been reduced so heavily. However, thats right after the debt ceiling debacle is expected to hit. If washington is still a mess at the time, f5 may not go up even on a good number. But then on november 14th, the company has an Analyst Meeting where i think theyll tell a positive story. Ideally well be out of the woods by then with the shutdown and debt ceiling. I hope. Heres the bottom line, f5 has been bent, spindled and mutilated but this company is turning things around with a crucial product refresh coming. Biggest in four years. The networking business is healthy here and i think the stock deserves to be bought. I want you to use the washingtoninduced weakness to buy f5 incrementally over the next month. Keep in mind i havent recommended this stock in years and years and years. Itll get cheaper as it goes low. And i bet it springs back once everything gets resolved in the capital. Stay with f5, stay with cramer. Coming up hidden find . Cramers been blazing a trail through the energy industry, tapping into the Companies Striking black gold. Now a newly minted stock caught his eye and could be ready to heat things up. Stick around for the big reveal. 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Now, you know that we have this drilling boom happening here in the United States thanks to the new red hot shale plays. Dominion, you keep hearing about it. Its all these new companies. But its actually not just on domestic land, not just here. The price of crude remains high all over the world. And Many Companies are making use of fancy new technologies to get more of the stuff out of the ground often in places that were previously considered inaccessible, simply not economic, using oldfashioned drilling techniques and with a lower price of oil. This is a niche oil service play named for a guy named frank. Companys from 1938 but only did come public this past august and a lot of people overlooked it when it did. While it may not be a household name to you, it is a household name within the oil patch. Everyone knows franks. Franks is a key player in whats known as the Tubular Services space. May sound like a piece of early 90s slang, but its a crucial part of building an oil well. When you drill a well, you need to install casing pipe to keep the well bore stable as well as production tubing to pump the oil to the surface. There are two Major Players in the casing and tubing segment of the oil patch, Franks International and then weatherford which each control about 20 of the business with the rest of the competition being pretty fragmented. Giving that weatherford is stumbling of late, i think that franks has a fabulous opportunity to take share from its number one competitor. Even without the opportunity to steal lunch money, the company gets 74 of the revenues from offshore drilling. More than half of the business coming from deep water and ultra deep water sites that require a heck of a lot of tubing. Franks is more international and domestic, get about 50 of sales overseas which is a hot area right now and only 15 in a crowded and oversaturated north American Land Drilling Market where pricing has been under serious pressure. Go ask baker hughes, go ask halliburton, theyll tell you, this country is not a great country for oil service. Why is offshore so much better for an Oil Service Company than onshore . Because offshore is where the real Growth Opportunities are right now, especially in deep and ultra deep waters. We know that the ultra deep water of oil rig fleet is expected to grow by 40 between now and 2016. Thats not so good for some of the fleet makers, i mean for some of the actual fleets. But offshore drilling is a much more service and technologyintensive activity than the onshore variety, which means its a lot more profitable for a company like Franks International. For example, the average land welling in the United States requires about 50,000 worth of Tubular Services. But the average deepwater well in the gulf of mexico requiring roughly 2 million of Tubular Services. 40 times what an oil company would spend drilling on land. Even though you hear about these land drilling projects, theyre not as lucrative for franks. Weve got 65 new ultra deepwater rigs coming online by 2016, representing 500 million opportunity for the industry. Thats not crazy. Its not a crazy assumption given the companys expertise. These rigs could be worth 200 million in new sales, thats huge for a Company Expected to produce 1. 14 billion in revenues this year. Not only does franks have growth but visibility too. Its easy to see how much money theyll make down the road. Thats because on newly built rigs, contracts for the Tubular Services that franks provides are typically signed anywhere from 2 to 5 months before the rig is developed, is delivered. And once these contracts are awarded, they tend to be pretty sticky, as the companies that are drilling in deep waters dont like to switch contractors mid project because its very expensive to switch once youre in. Its also laborintensive. At that point, Franks International equipment will already be fully integrated into the rigs and its needed to run production tubing which can come months or even years after they lay the initial casing on the well. Plus, everybody in the oil patch tells me this, franks is a terrific operator. Terrific operator. Because the company has a niche focus, they pretty much only do tubular casing, that puts them in a competitive advantage. Unlike weatherford where tubing is 6 of the business. And Franks International is more than just an Oil Service Company. Its really an oil Service Technology play. In the same mode of core labs. Have you seen that stock . Thats given us tremendous gains. Not only does franks have state of the art engineering capabilities but theyre sitting on a boatload of patents. As a 43 margin on earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization margins while the peers closer to 19 on average. Some Technology Companies have much higher margins. But in this patch, the oil service, these margins are unheard of. Its really the only sizable competitor out there. And franks is disciplined on bidding for new contracts. They wont give in on pricing in order to win on a business that would be less profitable. Even though franks is new, its unique for a newly Public Company in that it didnt need to raise money. The company has a solid Balance Sheet with barely any longterm debt. I think they came public in order to use their stock currency. Stock is a currency, they can make acquisitions with the stock. Management has said they want to do some small highly targeted takeovers, buying companies that offer Similar Services that could easily be added to their product lineup. Right now frank sells for 19 times next years earnings estimates, about the same multiple as fmc technologies. Good company. But considering that franks has substantially larger margins, i think the company deserves a higher multiple than fmc. The stock barely batted an eyelash despite the epic falloff of the market. Heres the bottom line, were on the hunt for companies that can thrive even in this domestic environment thats so troubled by washington. Franks international fits the bill. Its a brand new oil service ipo. Its mostly overseas, mostly offshore, and the companys a fantastic operator. I think its a buy here into any washingtoninduced weakness, although i cant say i expect that much of a pullback because it has so little to do with the capital. Peter in connecticut. Peter . Caller jim, how are you, buddy . Real good. How about you, peter . Caller im doing wonderful. My question, stocks on gbx greenbrier. Its more of a commodity play than most people realize. I went around with greenbriar and trinity. These companies that make transportation equipment, they cut each others throat off and make it very difficult. And this ones up 55 . I dont think you should buy greenbriar up here. Can i go to florida . Caller hello, jim, im a big fan of your show. Thank you. Caller i find your show very helpful in making stock decisions for me on a daytoday basis. Thank you. Caller i really appreciate your candid and Straight Talk on whats going on out there in the market without sugar coating it. And this really, really helps investors like me on an everyday basis. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Caller i really like to have your take on petrobras argentina, pze. No, thats too easy. Its had a nice run. Argentina is not where i want to invest. I was willing to invest in petrobas. Thats still cheap. Hasnt done that much yet, i think thats a much better buy. I like pbr, not pze. Dont let domestic politics cramp your portfolios style. Were hunting around for d. C. Resistant stocks. When we find them, we like them. You know what we like . We like Franks International. Buy franks and say thanks. Stay with cramer. Tomorrow, kick off the trading day with squawk on the street live from post 9 at the nyse. Stay tuned, the negativity seems to be being cut by some of these calls. It all starts at 9 00 a. M. Eastern. For the yjust want to say, hi. Sorry. I bundled home and auto with state farm, saved 760 bucks. Love this guy. So sorry. Okay, does it bother anybody else that the mime is talking . Frrreeeeaky [ male announcer ] savings worth talking about. State farm. [ maplays a key role resethroughout our lives. Alth one a day mens 50 is a complete multivitamin designed for mens Health Concerns as we age. With 7 antioxidants to support cell health. One a day mens 50 . You really love, what would you do . [ woman ] id be a writer. [ man ] id be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] id be an architect. What if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you . When you think about it, isnt that what retirement should be, paying ourselves to do what we love . It is time it is time for the lightning round on cramers mad money. Rapidfire calls, you say the name of the stock, i tell you whether to buy or sell. Play until this sound and then the lightning round is over. Are you ready ski daddy . Time for the lightning round on cramers mad money. Michael in new jersey. Michael . Caller booyah, professor. Oh, thank you for giving me tenure. Whats going on . Caller yeah. Hello, one question involves himx. Is it still a buy . You know what, ive been thinking a lot about this. I thought the stock should have been 13, 14 by now because of that google investment. So im going to say yes. Lets go to raj in texas. Raj . Caller booyah, jim, from houston, texas. My question is annaly capital management. And the answer is, no, im not going to recommend that stock. Im not recommending any of the Mortgage Real Estate Investment trusts. Theyre too hard to understand and difficult to manage during a taper no taper situation. James in new york . James . Caller booyah, jimmy. That was one of the best ever. Whats up . Caller whats up, man . Im trying to pick your brain today about iron mountain. Well, this stock got hurt because people thought it would be a Real Estate Investment trust. It happens to be a very Good Management records company. Im actually going to say, yes, buy it. Lets go to steve in new jersey. Steve . Caller booyah, jim, thank you for my call. Youre quite welcome. Whats going on . Caller jim, ive had ibm longer than ive been married, two splits ago. And ive watched it go from 220 down to the 180s. What do you recommend . Well, they missed the quarter. A lot of people feel Warren Buffett is selling. I dont know. I dont want to own ibm. Linda in connecticut . Caller cramer, is now a good time to buy valmont industry . I dont know. Just a mismatch, too hard for me. Jimmy in florida. Jimmy . Caller yes. Go ahead. Hello . Caller hello. Youre up, jimmy. Caller okay. Hi, jim, this is jim from florida via rhode island. Okay. Caller i wanted your opinion on a stock, hei, jim. I like heico, aerospace, a lot of good things going for it. Id like to buy it even on this weakness. I think its a good one. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of the lightning round. The lightning round is the lightning round is sponsored by td ameritrade. What should we do with the socalled bond alternative stocks . The high yielders that thrive where the Federal Reserve Bond Buying Program continues to keep the yields from fixed income artificially low . Given what the capital could do to the economy, the fed might hold off on tapering for some time. Consider dominion resources, the nations largest one of the largest gas and electric utilities and it sports a 3. 65 yield. Dominion roared last month when it became clear that the fed wasnt going to ease up on the bond buying, and even after getting dinged with the rest of the market today, barely two points off of the 52week high. Its not just a utility, though it gets 80 from the regulated utilities. It has a distribution business in the marcellus shale positions and an export terminal theyre building in virginia. This is a dependable company boosted its dividend by 7 annually by 2010, you dont get that from treasuries and with a potential debt ceiling looming on the horizon its possible you get less. Lets check with the chairman and ceo of dominion resources, find out more about how his company is doing. Welcome back to mad money. Its great to be with you. Thank you. Because of where your utilitys located, will you see a decline in usage because of the shutdown . Were going to have to see how that goes over the course of the year. We had increased usage, actually, in residential customers in the second quarter. Third quarter just finished, obviously. But we did have an impact in our Government Sales and some commercial sales in the second quarter. But it was fine in the first quarter. So well have to see how this all works its way out through the course of the year. But relatively to many in our industry, i think were in decent shape there. You made a lot of changes since we spoke last. Divided into two things. First, you got the approval for cove point, and i want to get a sense of whether you have customers lined up or if youre feeling if you build it, they will come . Which is it . Jim, we have signed 20year offtake agreements, Terminal Service agreements, one with sumitomo in japan and the other with gail in india, theyll take up all the capacity between the two of them for 20 years in what we would call a take or pay contract. Whether they use it or not, theyll be paying for the right to use the facility. Thats 20 years after we start operating which we expect to be in 2017. And youre sure there was a fabulous article in the New York Times about your facility. It seems like its much closer to reality than anybody and maybe i dont know because of the amount of infrastructure you have, it really is why youre putting a lot of money in, youre much closer than anybody else. Weve got were only 100 miles from the marcellus and utica shales. We have a pipeline from the region dedicated to the facility already. We have 14 1 2 billion cubic foot of storage at the site. We have a terminal that can handle super tankers. We need a liquefier and a couple more permits that were working on but hope to have in the first half of next year. But the big one for us was the export permit from the department of energy, which we got last month. How many more people are working at dominion right now than before the approval . We have the construction process, once it gets started, is going to employ thousands and thousands of people for four years. Do people three years. Do people in washington, d. C. Understand that when you do a project like this, even though it does involve fossil fuels it does put people to work . I think they do. The department of energy has been very supportive of lng exporting. This administration has generally been very supportive. Theyre going through a deliberate process. I think they want to make sure its done right and cross their ts and dot their is. This facility is in southeastern maryland in the local congressional delegation there, steny hoyer is the congressman there. I think they understand and the governor and others understand theres a lot of jobs created by a project like this. The second i want to ask you about is why mlp . Because, you know, i like your setup. I think its easy to understand, but i know you can do an mlp. What is the advantage of doing an mlp for the parent . The Real Advantage for us, what were talking about doing is an mlp that would include primarily two assets when its up and running, cove point and a joint venture interest we have in a gathering and Processing Partnership in ohio called blue racer. Thats what were looking at. Well have to file an s1, do all the things by the book next year. It ought to be neutral or accretive to dominion because of the cash flows that come out of it. I know you understand how they work. But dominion should come out quite well with it once we start. Do you target what the payout will be from the beginning, what the yield might be versus dominions . We will, but i cant talk about that until we file the s1. Okay. Theres a guy who has been negative and candidly wrong at bank of america and merrill, he said the reason why youre doing this is because youre mitigating the adverse impacts of a rising Interest Rate environment. Thats a major reason. Was that really the motivator here . It wasnt considered at all, actually. We were trying to figure out our job at dominion, our management teams job was to figure out how to maximize value for our shareholders, taking the assets we have and figuring out the way to get the most bang for our investors dollars. Thats our job. Thats why we decided to explore that and explore an mlp. Two constituencies that people have been upset. You seem to have solved the environmental side. Youve got the environmental side with you. How about the Chemical Companies that feel its unfair youre sending natural gas overseas . I think we theres, i think most of them are looking for there to be a balanced approach, send some overseas but make sure you dont send too much. It drives up the price of gas. I think the studies that have been done on it show that at almost any level of exports, you will not drive up the price of gas. Its got a selfcorrecting mechanism in it. The gas wont be exported if it gets too expensive. Wow. Terrific. Well, you know what, tom, i saw when the stock popped and, boy, youre a growth utility with a great dividend and a tremendous commitment because i know your insiders are buying all the time. Thank you so much for coming on. Tom farrell, chairman, president and ceo of dominion resources. Great seeing you again. Thanks, jim. You see why this has been my favorite utility for a long time. Its got growth, imagination, and a good dividend. Stay with cramer. [ horn honks ] [ passenger ] airport, please. What airline . United. [ indian accent ] which airline, sir . [ passenger ] united. Whoa taxi [ british accent ] what airline, then . [ passenger ] united. All right. [ spanish ] what airline . [ passenger ] united. [ mandarin ] which airline . [ passenger ] united. [ arabic ] which airline . [ passenger ] united. [ italian ] where are we going . [ passenger ] united. [ male announcer ] more destinations than any other airline. 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Given we had 17 Government Shutdowns and gotten through them without catastrophe, its easy to believe this will be no different. The ones in 95 and 96 were catalysts to send the stock market higher not lower. But we keep hearing this debt ceiling thing is different. Yesterday, Erskine Bowles scared a lot of us out of our wits when he said nothing is done about the debt ceiling by october 17th, it could be catastrophic for the country. We should be concerned its not business as usual. However, Warren Buffett said this morning right here on squawk box that it wont be the end of the world and we can go beyond the 17th without problems, we just cant go for a whole year. I think he was being a little hyperbolic about a year. The deadline is artifice and theres plenty of money kicking around to allow the government to pay the interest on the debt and any bonds that come due. He made a lot of us feel a heck of a lot better. And given that hes a modern day jpmorgan, it doesnt seem like our confidence is misplaced, maybe Buffett Knows more than anyone. Buffetts comments were welcome because they explained how we can have this continuing spectacular rally in bonds, treasuries, as opposed to a selloff like youd expect as we careen toward the socalled drop dead date. Shouldnt bonds be getting crushed here as foreigners sell and people are retreating to something less risky . Oh how the mighty have fallen. Its true. The longer we go after october 17th without raising the debt ceiling, the more likely that riskfree designation for treasuries will vanish and the full faith and credit provision will be rendered meaningless. Still, though, buffett defined the cooler heads prevail thesis for the moment. It was very refreshing and reassuring. But soon after buffett made his comments, jack lew came right out swinging, making it very clear that catastrophe is still on the table come october 18th. He made it seem more dire than ever. So i was scared again. Whats the truth . Thats the issue. We dont know what the truth is which is why during the last debt ceiling standoff in 2011 former president bill clinton said that president obama should invoke the 14th amendment of the constitution, without hesitation, he said, to raise the ceiling and force the courts to stop me. Back then the president said his lawyers thought this argument wouldnt win. And the clause that emboldens clinton is subject to a lot of interpretation. Seems like a winner if you read the phrase out of context. But the validity of the public debt including debts incurred for payments of pensions and bounties for services and suppressing insurrection of rebellion shall not be questioned. If you strip out the notion of insurrection of rebellion thing, and i think you do have a good constitutional case. Clinton wasnt saying the president would win on the merits, he was daring the courts and trying to find a way to help pay these bills. Its not outrageous to argue as people said it was on jim cramer on twitter all day. Whos right . If youre the president , you need to force the hand of republicans. But is the president miscalculating . There are people who want to stop the president. And they want to close the budget deficit so badly that they will contest the legality of going above the debt ceiling. Is there any difference between that and pleading the 14th amendment as a way to pay the bills . I dont think so. I fall back on the full faith and credit of Warren Buffett. I think well go through the 17th and i bet the stock market might go down into that day. But i think well live to play again and panic would simply not be an option because of this thing, certainly not, which is now looking more and more like just another political gambit, one that while certainly jarring simply cant be described as catastrophic until the bonds are actually in default. And thats just not going to be the case come october 18th. Stick with cramer. Check it out. Over 20 million drivers are insured with geico. So get a free rate quote today. I love it how much do you love it . Animation is hot. And i think it makes geicos 20 million drivers message very compelling, very compelling. This is some really strong stuff so you turned me into a cartoon. Lovely. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Its here finally, the season premiere of american greed the fugitives. The feds want them in jail but the russian mob wants them dead. Who will get to them first . Dont miss it. 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