Transcripts For BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose 20170815

Affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as americans. Racism is evil. Those who cause violence in its name are criminals and bugs thugs, including the kkk, neonazis, and white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. Charlie one woman was killed and 19 were injured after a car ran into a crowd of protesters. The Justice Department is opening a civil rights investigation. The fallout from the controversy over the president s comments has led to renewed speculation about the future of steve bannon, one of the president s chief political advisers. Joining me is Major Garrett. Looking at this from the white house perspective, what will be the fallout, if any, to the status of people who work as principal advisers to the president . Talk about steve bannon. Hes in the biggest jeopardy hes ever been in in the history of the white house. His stock has risen and fallen, but that has been true of a lot , as steve bannon was conspicuously a couple months of those ago. But im told by people who watch the white house and those within the white house itself that steve bannon has fallen out of favor. Part of it is due to the arrival of the chief of staff, john kelly, who promised the president upon his arrival that he would bring order and discipline to the white house. One of the aspects of that would be to do whatever he could to eliminate the crossfire that goes on within the west wing, the rivalries and the fighting and backbiting. For a lot of reasons, steve bannon of late has been blamed carryingr leaking or out efforts to undermine other officials in the white house. Most conspicuously, the National Security advisor, h. R. Mcmaster. Im told upon his arrival, chief of staff kelly wanted to strengthen the position of h. R. Mcmaster as the National Security adviser, and in so doing, it is quite clear to me that Steve Bannons stock has fallen. One wellplaced source told me that steve bannon could be gone as soon as the end of this week. I covered a lot of palace intrigue with this white house, and i must tell you, nothing is definitive until the president , but the arrow for steve andon has never been lower, his longevity in the white house never been more in question. Charlie but whats interesting about what he said, he may be fired sooner than what we if the idea that hes being fired because of his opposition to h. R. Mcmaster rather than his support for breitbart, or his support of a that helped the president elected. Major they come together in a small sense, because those who are part of the Breitbart News havephere, if you will, been among those working must aggressively in public and against the interest of h. R. Mcmaster. Armedthe chairman of the services committee, john mccain, who does not drive a lot of policy at the trump white house, but is still a significant voice , says the attacks on h. R. Mcmaster have to stop. They were interpreted as a way of john mccain saying mcmaster is probably safer, and the source of those attacks, which everyone believes were set in motion by steve bannon, is much more vulnerable. That is mccain positioning himself against something he thinks may have been, the strengthening of mcmaster and the weakening or possible dismissal of steve bannon. Charlie who supports steve bannon in the white house . Major it is hard to know. The president has a longstanding personal relationship with steve bannon and shared a general sense of ideology around National Economic messages. That is something the president always prided himself on. The president said that i had those ideas first, i was the originalist. Nevertheless, they are simpatico ideologically. The backers of steve bannon and the one who may be more influential than anyone else in the white house would be the mercer family, a significant donor to republican causes generally, and a significant donor to President Trump, and made a very large contribution to a super pac going after republicans who have been critical of President Trump specifically or less than, enthusiastic about the trump agenda overall. They could play as big a role outside as anyone inside the building. Risk to thet is the andident if he is outside in a position to criticize the president , it steve bannon inspired . Major i was always the question. It was the same about reince priebus. What he do more harm on the outside than he did working on behalf of the agenda . Have alwaysstions been raised about steve bannon. Would it be better to have him in or out . If the president does make this decision, it would reflect not only his understanding of what will make a functional white house run, but far more than that, general kellys understanding of what it means to have a functioning, will operating white house. If thats what President Trump values when anything else, he will give kelly is latitude to try to create not only a white house that works, but that ismunicates more directly, more effective legislatively, and can get into the politics. Since he came in with historically low approval ratings, President Trumps politics have been about subtraction. His base and support has shrunk. Even in his most aggressive supporters, they are more ambivalent than they were when the presidency began. Lots of people who are willing train. Give him the heart of the mission of the new chief of staff is to make the white house more functional but also more politically successful. If this is happening in the white house as we speak, how fierce is he fighting back to keep his job . Major thats a good question, charlie. Tacticalave insider hourbyhour on this, but i do know steve bannon is a survivor. Reince three this survivor for a long time. Much longer than people expected. Reince priebuss shelf life here started to diminish in early february. He lasted much more than that. With all the palace intrigue, there are ways to realign alliances. There are ways to get back in favor with the president. Here are ways to remind him a lot of this will boil down to whatever it is steve bannon can bring to the table on his behalf against those he has clashed and what is the abroad face and how seriously is it taken from general kelly to the president of the United States. Charlie and finally i have this question, who influenced, if president , that informed or influenced his original instinct to the tragedy in charlottesville . Major this is part and parcel of candidate trumps approach to this issue and as president. He doesnt like to wade into the deep specifics about any root causes of rightwing, archconservative either rhetoric or violence. He never has. He has always kept those issues, if he could do it, at arms length. Hose those who defend the president say because he doesnt want to get into the underlying details of one group completely outside the mainstream, they adjudicate some other time. He wants to speak broadly about being against violence and all forms of organized hatred, not getting into whether that is on left. Ght or there are those within the president s own set of advisors and the president himself who believe there are nefarious groups on the left and resort to violence. The president doesnt like to adjudicate that thats what he tells himself. Politics of the this registered in ways that were first identified and publicly given voice by his daughter. That was the first sign to all of us that this was moving in another direction. When ivanka put out her tweet whitecing rightwing supremacist groups, you knew over time it would move to the president. It had to go to the Vice President , traveling overseas, then the attorney general, then the president. ,t began with daughter ivanka often times a weathervane as to whether the president can handle sensitivity of issues he would just as soon keep at arms length. Charlie Major Garrett from the correspondents, thank you. We will be right back. Stay with us. Charlie we continue our look at the violence in charlottesville this weekend with the consideration of its broader implications about race in this country. Joining me is historian jon meacham, and here in new york, reverend al sharpton, founder and president of the National Action network. How you saw,with as a fellow southerner, how you saw the action in charlottesville, a town that both of us have admired because of its tradition and its education, and the university of virginia. Jon absolutely. Of thea tragic example perennial american tradition of hate and alienation. I think it has been reported that these groups have started finding blue dots, these blue cities in red states, so that. He drama is more pronounced its an old tactic. I think they have tragically taken it perhaps from dr. King. I think it was a critical point to take the right place during the movement. Birmingham was a strategic choice because of bull connor. Where we are living in right now, 2017, a moment in which the president of the United States cannot find it in his heart or his mind one would hope he would find in both races ideally to condemn what is evidently the darkest part of the american psyche. I think that until we grapple with that, then we are going to frustratingnually conversation about these issues. Charlie are you suggesting he cant find in his heart because hes a racist, or he cant find it in his heart because hes blinded by political strategy . Jon i think the best thing you can say about the president s reaction on saturday is that it was morally ambiguous. Thats the best thing you can say. He governs to his base. Thats clearly part of his political strategy. People se includes not entirely but includes duke, who saidid this weekend, we voted for trump to take our country back. That is what david duke says. President , before he was the president , couldnt find it again in his heart or mind to dissociate himself from that kind of vitriol. Rev. Sharpton i think he is right. When you look at the fact that many of those that were in this hate rally had on trump caps, saying make america great, it was incumbent upon this president and not only to announce it immediately, but also say, dont use my name, dont identify me with this. I remember when bob dole told hate groups, i dont want your support. The exit sign is for you. This president , during the campaign, would not announce david duke for days, acting like he didnt hear the question. Them on. Ver taken it took 48 hours after a young lady was killed for him to denounce these people that engaged in terrorism by name. Merckounced the ceo of for leaving the Economic Council in less than an hour. Hours, and a Young American woman is dead by a selfdescribed white supremacist it is frightening to many americans, and an awakening call to others. Many of us have been saying all along the hate hasnt gone anywhere, it just moved to the margins. It has now been involved in. Emboldened. Charlie america has changed in many ways. Where hasnt in changed it changed . Rev. Sharpton america has made many strides. You look at the social fabric. In one generation, my mother, she lived to see her son being able to run for president. She lived to see an africanamerican president. We should never underestimate that. And the price paid. We see ceos of major corporations, things that are astonishing, that my mother and grandparents would never have imagined, but we still see the same economic gap. We are still doubly unemployed to whites. 40 ,ill have about 25 to when you measure education, from the basics in educational opportunity, and health care disparities. The life of the majority of africanamericans is still at the same Percentage Points that you in major ways would count and try to record the data, as it was many years ago. It is just that because society has moved up, it may look at her enter, but the gap is still there. I think we have not been honest about that. In the euphoria of the election of president obama, you hear people who are supposedly invented intelligent say we are in a postracial america. We never were. We were able to achieve these things despite racism and hate. It is not because it disappeared, but because others persevered, black and white. I think many of us are now beginning to see again, because you dont have to hopeful picture of a president obama who was inclusive, and others. Ien george bush charlie, have dealt with the last three president s. I marched on bill clinton about welfare reform bills. But none of them would not not address something as blatant as what we saw this weekend and take two days to do it. Charlie and when he does, is it too little too late . Rev. Sharpton it is too little too late, and woefully inadequate. He did not address that it was domestic terrorism. He did not address these people that associate himself themselves with him. He had a responsibility to do that. When we have had marches and situations that people said things that were vile, we had to deal with it. He had more of an obligation to do it as the president. Charlie why didnt he . Rev. Sharpton the easy way out is to call him a name, but that would be easy for me and easy for him. What i will say is that he has shown a real tendency to be a person that will use racism, that will use dog whistling, and will play to bigotry. Those of us who have known him in new york, he did that. The only race issue i have ever known him to stand up for he comes from queens, right next to howard beach. I have never heard him address the country all the way until now. The only race related case was when he took out advertisements that he paid for in new york city calling for the death of five young black and latino boys accused of a despicable act of central park rape. They were found insists innocent. He still said after the dna was proven, that they were guilty. To goly dialogue was against young black and latino young men that were found to be innocent, and he still wouldnt change. Charlie jon, do you think well look back on it as a moment of change . Do you think all that has happened in terms of the have hadof this i people come up to me and say that this will be an inflection point. Jon i hope so. Because i think it is part of a tragic pattern. I think it begins in our native region, in the aftermath of mathematics, where you had the ofnding of the Klan Christmas eve of 1865. Not quite eight months after general lee surrendered. The fires of hate burn brightest when there are moments of economic and social stress. Reconstruction was that kind of moment. The beginning of the institution of jim crow into the 1890s. Klan put 50,000 the capital because of anticatholicism, antisemitism, etc. You had the cold war anxieties, the isolationism of charles lindbergh, you had the birchers of the early 1960s, you had the antigovernment sentiment of the innocents when those people, including the children in the day care center, died when two at bombed the oklahoma wheneral building thethy mcveigh bombed Oklahoma City federal building. You had this one the white population feels alienated and dispossessed. The reality of 2017, the changing demography, the changing idea that information, thanbrains matter more theze age, thats part of reason donald trump is president. Only 19 of people trust the federal government. We are about 70,000 off the Median Income for a family of four to have a middleclass life. Those are the number that produce this. On the racial question, with all respect and affection to my friend reverend sharpton, it is not a dog whistle if everybody can hear it. I think thats where we are right now. Rev. Sharpton i think hes right, i think everyone did hear it. A lot of people in the media were acting as if they didnt understand what they were hearing. I think that when you have people feeling alienated, and you have a candidate that blames the other, that started his political career by raising theher iism, that president is unlike us, he goes from there over to mexicans, then to islamophobia with muslims, it is them, it is not your fault. When globalization, automation has caugh cost a lot more jobs than immigration, but the president did not put a plan in. He did not run on that. This kind of comforting people with bigotry is dangerous. I would hope it is in this period, but we dont know what if it is. I have in my own career wrestled with dealing openly, and say, no, i will not deal with those elements or violence. Im not saying anything that a lot of public figures have not had to struggle with. Aslan saying he knows better. Of us knows better. He knows better. He ought to stand up for the good of his country. Do i expect him to . No. Charlie you say he doesnt stand up because of his political ambition are because he is at heart a racist . Rev. Sharpton i dont know. I dont know the reason. I just know the actual behavior. I dont want to psychoanalyze him. It i cant say i know what see. I see, whatever the motive, the results are the same. , is this also simply the fact that after slavery we never healed all of the impact of slavery . Jon its the american dilemma. There are two original sins in american life. Native american removal and africanamerican slavery. Slavery is wrapped up in the fabric of the country. Read the constitution. When jefferson wrote that all men were created equal, he had a very narrow understanding of what the definition of men was. The story of the country, the beauty of the country, however tragic or bloody or slow, we have, in fact, tried to become a more perfect union. It is not something we will paradise, this set of but we have always become stronger the wider we opened our arms. If the media say these are Fringe Groups on the margin, we are overreacting, but i disagree. Moments ese new moments where the extreme, the hate, the people giving nazi salutes, after we spent so much blood trying to liberate the world from that form of tyranny, that is an extreme manifestation. But it is an extreme manifestation of an underlying reality. The underlying reality is there is an enormous unease in the country. It is easier to point your that an immigrant is responsible, or a black responsible, and its not me. Toould recommend everybody read Richard Hofstadters essay. It was a lecture in 1963. It was a cover story in october 1964. It wont take long. You can see from the bavarian illuminati of the 1790s, to the birchers, onto charlottesville this week, you have these moments where the dispossessed want to blame someone else. The difference we have now is that the president himself is one of the people doing the pointing. You doesnt matter mentioned Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson had slaves. Rev. Sharpton slaves, and children with the slaves. Charlie should they take down the Jefferson Memorial . Rev. Sharpton i think that people need to understand when people that were enslaved and robbed of even the right to marry, and had forced sex with slave masters, that this is personal to us. My greatgrandfather was a slave in South Carolina owned by the family that ended up, Strom Thurmond was one of them. This is personal. Removednot some kind of discussion. Our families were victims. Charlie therefore, everybody associated with slavery in terms of any public monument to them . At. Sharpton when you look the fact that public monuments are supported by public funds, you are asking me to subsidize charlie and Thomas Jefferson had slaves. Rev. Sharpton i would repeat that the public should not be paying to uphold somebody with that background. You have private museums and other things you may want to do, but thats not even issue. Here andlking about open display of bigotry announced and over and over followed up by not just violence, but terrorism, and the president wont even speak to it. 1963, dr. Kings speech, he said there and talked about lincolns promise. This year, two weeks from monday, we are bringing white, black, muslim clergy to stand there and proclaimed their dream, and think about how Martin Luther king was dreaming, when we were still in the back of the bus. We went all the way to barack obama. Now two weeks before we recognize that day, we see charlottesville and a president who has laryngitis for two days on that issue some of us will stand up. Charlie the attorney general announced today there would be a rigorous investigation. At cbs this morning, i asked if this was the highest priority, and can you ensure you will get to the bottom of this . He said yes. The attorney general is an associate of the president you are criticizing. Rev. Sharpton he is an associate of the president , that we will see what he does, but if hes the same attorney general that we met with that told us he was going to withdraw from the Voting Rights lawsuit in texas that we consider biased, and the same attorney general that wanted to stop the Consent Decree in baltimore that had already been agreed to by the Justice Department, the same attorney general lisa talking about reversing affirmative action. If we are not jumping up and down a plotting the attorney general, it is because of the positions. Charlie the president faces lots of challenges. North korea is a National Security challenge. Is this a National Challenge . Challengenk it is a and an ongoing one, because it goes to the moral credibility of the person behind the desk in the oval office. Franklin roosevelt said the presidency is preeminently a place of moral leadership. We have to be a leader as a country and Global Community where we believe what the president says. Where you have some innate confidence that things are in fairly good hands. , think for a lot of people that level of confidence started low, and it has gotten to be almost nonexistent. I think it is an exacerbating moment. It is yet another example of a place where the president had an , becausety, tragically there is a woman who is dead and state troopers were dead because of this attempt to put neonazism back to the front of the american imagination because of that, there are people who are dead. This is a moment where a president could have spoken or 36 of the people who approve of his job. Charlie do you think the president will last four years . Rev. Sharpton i dont know if he will. I think we are very, very close to seeing a president implode. Implode in the sense politically implode, in the sense that losing the confidence onlyny americans that not can he be moral, but decent. The president that responds quickly to everything couldnt find his voice when a young and obvious victimization of a terrorist act . A lot of people are saying it is not only moral, it is just decency. How do you not respond to that . How do you not pick up the phone and call her family and say americans are with you . How do you have to be pushed into saying the most basic and even then, most removed from any withnal kind of identity what the situation could have been, even indirectly, or encouraged by your actions . I dont know how you do that and maintain the confidence of the american public, including many of them that voted for you. Charlie thank you for coming, al sharpton. Thank you, jon meacham. We will be back. Stay with us. Whoooo. Youre searching for something. Like the perfect deal. On the perfect hotel. So wouldnt it be perfect if. There was a single site. Where you could find the. Right hotel for you at the best price . There is. Because tripadvisor now compares. Prices from over 200 booking. Sites. To save you up to 30 . On the hotel you want. Trust this birds words. Tripadvisor. The latest reviews. The lowest prices. Charlie greg fischer is here, the democratic mayor of louisville, kentucky. Theas tried to transform city into an urban laboratory for innovators. His mantra is create jobs, improve education, and make louisville a more compassionate city. Louisville has added 63,000 jobs, thousands of businesses, and hotels. He believes data and technology, and has brought to the City Projects like google fiber and smart apartments. Political has called mayor fischer the most innovative mayor in america. I am pleased to have him at the table. Welcome. How have you done it then we will talk about charlottesville, but all that i suggested, did this come from your background as an entrepreneur . Why you . Why louisville . Mayor fischer combined ahead with the heart, and great things happen. Head with the heart, and great things happen. Thats what little did. You set a big vision and guide your city to wonderful values. You put all that together and make sure you have a strong economic development, and you reach out to everybody in the city. The issue of the day is everybody has to feel like they are along for the economic positive ride. All that together and work to it 22 hours a day, and it can happen. Charlie a lot of us here what you said, and you ask, what does he mean by compassion . Mayor fischer what this has been one of the most interesting journeys we had. The notion was, the values i learning, health, but i was looking for a third value that connoted we are all into this together. That is where compassion came from. Compassion we describe as respect for each and every one of our citizens so their Human Potential is flourishing. We are all born with love and kindness, compassion, but leaders dont talk about it. That should be the number one job of a leader, whether elected or a business leader. We should call out the best in people. For some reason, we dont do that. It calls into notion of, what is power . Too often in america we say power is money and strength. How about howard being compassionate enjoy and the ability to bring out the best in people . When you do that, you can build a great city and state here you can build a great country. Charlie speaking of the country, tell me your reaction to first the events in charlottesville, and then the president s reaction, his first reaction . Mayor fischer obviouslymayor of the media we were talking about is that you see everything in real time. Your brains processing, is this really going on in our country . Swift condemnation should come out for any of this racism. Charlie it should be instinctive. Mayor fischer thats a layup. It should be easy. This was a moral moment. We saw a moral moment from a colleague, mitch landrieu, when he talked about the removal of statues in new orleans. Rising to the occasion doesnt have a party label. It comes from the heart. Goes when theres issues, if theres a crisis, you go to it and addressed it straight on. Charlie but it didnt happen. Do you think this was simply looking at his Political Base, are part of his Political Base . Im talking about the first instinct. Do you think someone was in their lobbying, saying you have to be balanced and careful, because the people who got you elected will take offense . Mayor fischer your advisors are there to advise. They are not there to decide. You go where your heart and head wants you to go. If you cant be authentic, if you cant be the person you are, what good is it Holding Office . Peace officers are honors to hold. If you ever honors fficers are is to makeions things better than they can be. The job of us to lead is to make the city, state, country a better place. We do that together. Charlie did the president , in a sense, by what he said today, though a long way in clearing the record . Mayor fischer you see people attacking it on both sides. The good news is we all learned. You come back and say, maybe i should have been more forceful. Certainly , people wanted to hear that on day one. It is good we heard it today, so lets move forward on the mission together. Watcht watch the lips, i the actions. Thats whats critical. Charlie what should the president show us by action . Mayor fischer you can do a lot of things. You can go to the scene. You can use more words. You can stand with different partners, a Diverse Group of partners. Our country is extraordinarily diverse. That is not going to change. The people who want to harken back to a day gone by translation, white men running everything those days are gone. What we should do is a country is say this diversity, this girl is him, is a strength. Embrace it. Too many people feel like they are losing something with this evolution. Charlie that its a zerosum game. So much of it is caught up in this bigger picture, the rapidly changing global world, fueled by a technology that has outpaced peoples ability to compete. You have heard the concern from urban areas for generations, maybe centuries. You saw that the riots in the streets post ferguson. It doesnt make sense for people to tear down their cities, but when they are so frustrated and see no hope, thats what happens for we saw this in the last president ial election, stereotypically from rural areas. They have the same thing in common. They want to connect to a positive future. Charlie and they think that what is not giving that to them . Technology . That technology is stealing their jobs . Mayor fischer its also about nativism and populism. Charlie what do you mean . Mayor fischer somebody pointing to the other. The other is taking it from them. They dont look like me. They may not worship the same religion, so they are a problem. You dont build a great team that way. Charlie can you build a Successful Political Campaign that way . Mayor fischer i dont believe you can for the longterm. The question is the longterm. Longterm is does it create more opportunity for everyone to benefit . The longterm is speaking truth to people so they can adjust their lives so they can prosper in the 21st century. Sometimes truth is hard. People dont want to hear it. Part of the job of any leader is to tell the truth and provide resources, provide training, whatever it is so someone can reorient themselves and their family to a positive future. Charlie why is this country having such a hard time dealing with race . Mayor fischer we have never really addressed it had on. You go back to Abraham Lincoln and the actions he took, thats what a leader does. But then the white meritocracy tried to unravel that again. We have Seen Movement in civil rights and progress, then carrying it back again by the established order. You are seeing attempts at doing that right now. Charlie we had the commission a long time ago. Mayor fischer here we are again. What i have found in my job, my job has made me more socially progressive on one hand, and much more appreciative of Law Enforcement on the other hand. The ability to kind of trying to understand, especially as a white man, what minorities go through every day in the country, you have to try. When i have talked about issues about privilege, for instance, and the privilege you have coming from a great family, the privilege coming from a white family, some caucasians recoil from that. You have walked around looking different, so theres no question it is harder for a person of color. You can succeed, but its harder than the same person who might be white. The fat that it is more difficult, is it affirmative action, or what . Mayor fischer having a lens or equity and access, so you can see the same opportunities. Take, for instance, when kids go. O kindergarten an advantaged families child will be three years ahead of a disadvantaged familys child. I mean lack of access. That can come from any color. If youlective job, believe we are all interconnected, is to make sure all those kids have as many resources that they can so they show up about the same. So i tell people, will you agree with me morally, and if not, from an Economic Perspective that we need a trained workforce . If i cant get you on those, will you agree with me from a Public Safety standpoint . We need a safe society. Ultimately, i think riots are bad for business. You want peace in a village where everyone is moving forward. Charlie when you look at a kid going to kindergarten, and if he or she is behind when they start, basically fall behind mayor fischer . Thats right. They simply fall behind. Charlie thats right. Thats right. Er we need to redesign system so we are investing on the front end, so they show up ready to learn and ready to be a productive citizen. When you take a look at the big work we have to do countrywide, we have to redesign the Education System, housing system. We are getting the results that our Education System is designed to produce. Maliciously,igned but it was designed in age where agricultural and manufacturing were the top, traditional families. We have nontraditional families. Dont you think we should redesign the system . If it were a business, we would be out of business. With disparities today and lack of opportunities, it suggests the system is broken and needs to be changed. Charlie what would you do to fix it . Mayor fischer there are practical aspects to it. Over 10 billion people in the country right now are not here 10egal documents Million People in the country right now are not here with legal documents. It is impractical to ship all of them back. We have to deal with that reality. We do have to make sure borders are secure. We all agree. But we have an issue right now. Face that reality. Then also look at what helps the country. We are an aging country without immigrants. Are not a growing Company Country without immigrants. We are not as entrepreneurial without immigrants. My wifes parents fled the civil war in greece after world war ii. Third grade education, six grade education. In one generation, a phd, m. D. Dont you want that . We should be embracing that. Charlie i assume the primary thing is education. Mayor fischer education is a great leveler. They back to my inlaws, never bought an automobile so they could put every dollar they had into the kids education. Charlie Public Transportation and education lifted them up. Mayor fischer thats right. Then they let worked hard. The president constantly talks about jobs. Are we creating jobs . The economy is moving up in growth, gdp growth is up. Job numbers are good. What is happening to the economy in louisville . Mayor fischer we have had great success. We have 30,000 open jobs right now. If anyone wants to move to louisville, we have plenty. The economy is growing faster than the ability to fill the jobs and train for the jobs as well. Its a nice place to live. Good quality of life. Some would say the best quality. We need to make sure people are ready for those jobs. The training so you are always in a position to have a 21st century career. The big issue of the day is the howling hollowing out of middle income jobs in the country. It is reducing social mobility and hope. Charlie hollowing out means what in this case . Mayor fischer not as many. We have fewer people getting richer and a lot people getting poorer. When we had a bigger metal middle class, we saw positive growth in the country. Countries,erging they are creating a middleclass. And that creates demand, which creates economic growth. Mayor fischer 77 of the economy is driven by retail. If we dont have people making living wages, the economy will have difficulty growing. , and it leads to unrest limits peoples potential to contribute. It gets back to the value of compassion. How do we look in the country as we do in the city focusing on innovation . The goal is not just the number of jobs to produce. It is also the type of jobs. We are trying to increase median ways of people can have good living wages. Charlie you are a politician. Characterize the politician in the white house. How do you look at this person . Mayor fischer first, i like to say im a public servant, not a politician. Charlie thats fair. [laughter] the only thing i would quarrel with is i think politics is a noble profession. People like you were very successful in business came to politics, i assume you dont need money. You come forlic Public Service. Yes, there is corruption and power that leads to all kinds of acts to get power, but it is how you handle power that determines greatness. I agree. Cher i got fed up enough as a citizen. I always told my kids, if you are complaining about something, do something about it. So they looked at me and said, are you going to run for office . Charlie sotomayor is the first job you ran for . Senate,scher i ran for and i didnt know what i was in for. I have always done a lot of Public Service in my community, so i ran for mayor. To be a good mayor, you have to have the head of a chief executive officer and the heart of a social worker. Charlie but you are the closest to where the problems are. Mayor fischer thats the vantage. We go to congress as mayors and say, we are here as a partner to help. Sometimes when you are in washington, you get so removed from reality that you dont see the issues taking place. For instance, when the Health Care Debate was going on. The amount of pain that would have been inflicted if the Affordable Care act was repealed was something then mayors america kept hammering home in congress. Remember our people, understand what you will do. Think about the Opioid Crisis. Help, not less help. Heres the reality from the guy that is a mayor that happens to be a business. Business person. 18 of our gdp is on health care. Whats the next country doing . Germany, 10 . United kingdom, 8 . How can they cover everybody in their countries, and the people live longer, at half the amount we are spending . . Charlie whats the answer . Mayor fischer we need to look at the difference. Is it the difference we pay in pharmaceuticals . The difference in pharmaceutical health . Theres a difference. So often we think we can learn from others. I get that this is a big system. Washington dc is caught up in ideology, but over here is where the real work needs to be done. Change the system so everyone can get better cost. Charlie what will change the Opioid Crisis . The president declared it a national emergency. I do appreciate that. Ands ravaging rural areas cities as well. The important thing is how to cure this one addict at a time . Recovery is hard. Very hard. The last thing we want to do is put this issue in the shadows. We need to remove the stigma of addiction and mental illness, so we need to make sure treatment is readily available. In louisville, when somebody comes into the jail and the biggest users of jail in any city are people who are two health andmental drug addiction. When they come in, we help with treatment. We signed him up for medicaid so that when they leave they can continue treatment, and not just throw them out on the streets. You can provide housing and 24 7 counseling for about 30,000 a year. To treat a dual diagnosis patient is about 80,000 a year. Not only is it morally right to help with treatment, it is also less expensive. Charlie thank you for coming. It is good to have you. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Got you outnumbered. The dinosaurs extinction. Dont listen to them. Not appropriate. Now im mashing these potatoes with my stick of butter. Why dont you sit over here. Find your awesome with the Xfinity Stream app. Included with xfinity tv. More to stream to every screen. President trump there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides, i think there is blame on both sides. President trump stoking the flames, repeating his view over the violence in charlottesville, blaming both sides. Raised the growth forecast for china, but warns it comes at the cost of rising debts. Betty jeff bezos makes oh rare for a