Give me a sense of las vegas today, two days before the big fight. Teddy it is not exactly what it was set out to be. It was supposed to be a reward for the regular boxing fans. Mainstream boxing. It is more like wall street boxing. There is excitement. Everybody is talking about who yaou got . Who is going to win . The regular fans have waited six years for this fight. Everyone gives credit to the promoters and fighters but without the fans, there is no fight. The regular boxing fans will not be able to afford a ticket in that place saturday night. They have to pay 10 for the wig eighin and that is the closest they will get. They will not even get that because those tickets are being scalped for 200. Again, it is supposed to be a fight for the people, a reward for the boxing fans that have been hoping for a nice fight. Plenty of excitement about the fight. Everybody clamoring around, trying to figure out how could i get to the wayeighin . If i cannot get to the fight, maybe i can get to the weighin. This is on everybodys minds. Charlie is it because they have had not a great fight in a long time or is it because people of just begun over the years to worry about the future of boxing and then all of a sudden something comes along that is exciting . Teddy the people after six years this is what they wanted. In some way, the fans have been like the lost rtribes out on the desert. They are just thursday. Thirsty. They could be a great fight but they could wind up with sand in their mouths instead of water. It could be a great fight, but it is a fight that should have taken place six years ago. These are great fighters. The thriller in manilla, that was a brutal fight. Part of why it was so brutal was because they had their greatest athletic ability so they were more available. All that was left was thereir championship character and that showed in a brutal but fascinating fight. Charlie who do you like in this fight . Teddy im at the betting capital of the world. There is a reason why way mayweather is the favorite. He is the naturally bigger guy. He is a counterpunch or. Er,. Manny has to be aggressive. You might run into a counterpunch and mayweather will be looking withfor that. He lands against lefties and pacquiao is a lefty. I think the greatest strength for mayweather the reason why we are here is his defense. He is a conservative guy. He does not like take chances. I think his greatest strength is his defense and is also as greatest weakness. I think that manny has the hand speed, foot speed and volume punching to exploit his defense with sometimes going into it too much. Sometimes he slips and slides a little too much. He gets intoxicated with his own defense. That is why i give manny a chance. With his hand speed and the quick feet and get out before the counter punches come. To be able to steal, out also come out hustle and out punch. Charlie fighting is all about talent and will. Who has the greatest will in this fight . Teddy so far, there is only one man who has not learned how to lose. That is mayweather. He has not learned how to use. Packingpacquiao was knocked out cold three fight to go. There is confidence to believe in yourself. Who believes in yourself more than a guy that has never lost . Right now until proven differently, you have to say it is mayweather, but you could also say it would be a fair argument his will has never truly been tested in a way that maybe Manny Pacquiao can test it. Charlie who has been avoiding whom . Teddy that is a good question. Six years ago when this fight was first proposed, mayweather was we can only go according to what they are saying said he was ready to fight the fight but wanted manny. He thought he was on steroids. He wanted manny to take olympics now blood testing. Manny said no so the fight did not happen. Here, i have to tell you manny is the smaller guy. They are different fighters and different sizes. Manny is not as big. I dont know why. Mayweather actually looks bigger now. The reason why this fight finally happened is because pacquiao with tax problems, a lot of things going on in his life it is unfortunate. I hate to hear a fighter that goes into the ring and has the chance to come out with less of himself. With all that money and risk, he has money problems and apparently he does. He has more of a reason to go to the table. He made concessions a lot of concessions to make mayweather take this fight finally. Who wanted the fight more . Who made this fight . I guess you would say pacquiao by making those concessions. If you does not make those concessions, we are not talking now. Charlie who has the best corner men . An . Teddy mayweather has his fire. Ather. Have not always gotten along. His uncle roger was the one that was in his life really more and was involved in his of athletic career more. He is not the handson guy anymore. Mayweather is a little bit, i guess like muhammad ali. As great as Angelo Dundee was nobody trained ali, he made his own decisions. He did what his instincts told him and what his great confidence he had. He went his own way. He listened to himself. Mayweather does not really listen to anyone, but pacquiao listens to freddie roach. Backpacquiao has the edge because he listens to his guy. Charlie understanding the difference in the wayeight class, how would you compare mayweather to muhammad ali . Teddy well they are both great believers in themselves. They can be a little arrogant sometimes. That goes with great accomplishments sometimes. Arrogance becomes a cousin to that sometimes. They both are promoters. They both know how to make money. But, ali had much more social significance. Mayweather does not. He does not have that social significance. He has not attached himself to some kind of social endeavor or belief that a lot of these guys could. Ali did whether you believe him or not. Ali took a risk to do that. Mayweather was pretty consistent. He does not take risks in those ways. He does not take a risk just like the way he fights. Very conservative. Charlie could mike tyson have been the greatest fighter ever except for . Teddy except mike tyson could have been the greatest fighter toever except he had no character. Tyson was a shooting star, a meteor. The burned bright and was sensational. No disclaiming that. Ali, sugar ray robinson, all those great fighters were plan ners. They had substance. That was thereir earth. They overcame a lot of problems and issues going on. They had the character. The inner soul the ability to make proper choices outside the ring and to stand by them. The ability to care about more than yourself. Tyson never cared about anything other than himself. Tyson never would have been great he had great skill and could punch from either side of the plate, but he never ever had that great character i just talked about these great champions had to be called special. Charlie will this fight go the distance or will somebody knock them out in the middle rounds . Teddy i think it will go the distance. The funny thing here i always say it punches are not made they are born. This will send contradictory. Pacquiao is the better puncher but he has not scored a knockout in five years and he is the smaller guy. He has moved up a lot of weight classes. I dont think he is the puncher. Mayweather is a boxer, but he is the bigger guide. Y. If there is a knockout, it would come on the side of pacquiao. If there is a knockout, i think it would come on the side of mayweather. At the end of the day, i think it will be a decision and i think it will be a controversial one. Charlie thank you. It has been great to talk to you. Teddy my pleasure. Charlie we will be right back. Stay with us. Charlie corey lee is here. He is a james beard awardwinning chef and the owner of the restaurant benu in San Francisco. It gives its name to the chefs first cookbook. He has a 34 course tasting menu that reveals the principles behind his cuisine. Here is a look. Corey i was asked what sort of restaurant benu is. It is an american restaurant. It is open to the influence of all different kinds of cultures. The book is about a menu at benu and hopefully it canc convey the experience of dining at benu. Food is the most revealing thing about you, about a culte ure, how you live they go hand in hand. It is really about finding yourself in your work and understanding that there is meaning in finding yourself in your work. Charlie im pleased to have corey lee at this table for the first time. Welcome. Any friend of david chang has been a friend of mine. What influence has he had on you . Corey a big influence on me. He is someone who really struck out on his own in a very original way. In to thousand2004, i was living three blocks from the original restaurant. He came from the same background a lot of us had. He just went his own path. Hre decided to be something that he was really passionate about and created his own style. He broke down all the barriers in fine dining. That happened at a very exciting time for restaurants. Charlie the amazing thing about you it may be true for a lot of great chefs is that you have worked with some of the great chefs. You worked in great restaurants. Corey i was fortunate enough to have amazing teachers and mentors. There is not much difference between a teacher and a mentor. Every chef i worked for invested in me and cared about what i was doing outside of their own kitchen. Charlie describe your cuisine. Corey it is a tough one. I think a big part of the reason why i wrote the book was to explain not only to an audience but to myself really what we are doing at the restaurant. It is not a cuisine that could be summed up with a couple of words. Although, people would say it is a very easy term. It is a restaurant that is american for me. It is modern in the truest sense. We are trying to create a new experience for people an experience they can only happen our restaurant. Ultimately, it is an american restaurant specific to San Francisco. Charlie what is the korean influence . Corey there is a lot of seasoning that takes from korean cuisine. Some of the fermented pepper sauces, we season that with salt. It is more about deep flavors than seasoning. There is also the korean aesthetic which is very transparent. Metal think things are manipulated i do not think things are manipulated in a way that you cannot figure out what it is. It is unique in asian cuisine. We are influenced by all of those things and inspired. Charlie the cook at benu explains the asian flavors and ideas could harmonize. Corey it is the harmonization of those different cultures that is interesting. It was bird by spurred by living in Northern California where there is a huge influence. 45 asian. Most are cantonese chinese. There is an a simulationssimilation that is unique in that city. Charlie there is no better cook technician on the planet pound for pound. He is one of the best chefs honor. We like hearing those things but is it true . Is this pursuit of perfection . Corey i think it is not so much in pursuit of perfection, it is a pursuit of feeling like you are doing something you believe in. Whtether that is perfect i am not sure that is the most important thing. There are things that we do that i know are not perfect but i feel good about it and i could commit myself to that. It is really about the commitment. You have to commit yourself to your work. The first thing is believing in what you are doing. I have been fortunate in my entire career right felt that. Charlie why this book now . Corey i finally have something that we can document. That is an important first step. You have to want to say something. Over the last five years, i think start to carbon identity for ourselves. It is an opportunity to reach a larger audience. It is great for the staff. They can see their work is something beyond what they make every day and it is farreaching. It just felt like the right time to work on a book. Charlie it is structured around a 33 course menu. Corey it is, but we dont serve the 33 course menu. That is a bit much. You cannot keep somebody engaged for that long. Charlie or should you. Corey i explained a little bit in the book i dont think anybody looks at this book and it is literally a testingasting menu. It is almost like a meditation on the menu talking about the dishes and the influences. Who is counting . Charlie this is the love of food that you have. Corey it is also the love of craft. Charlie so, somebody comes to you and they say i want to be a chef and you say the most important thing to have is the love of craft. They say what does that mean . What would you say . Corey that means making something over and over. Repetition, working with your hands and that being a rewarding experience. It cannot be about owning a restaurant one that because that might not happen. It cannot be about notoriety because that is a byproduct of doing something well. You have to have satisfaction in coming to work every day and doing the same things over and over. It slowly evolves because there is a creative, artistic aspects to cooking at a certain level, but it comes down to what you make with your hands. Charlie that is a tactile feeling . Corey absolutely. There is something about making something that you feel is done well. Serving it and immediately getting the satisfaction. That is the great thing about restaurants. There are moments wof success all day and night long when you are feeding people. Charlie tell me about your biography. You came from south korea. Corey my father was an engineer. He was sent all around the world. We moved several times growing up. I came here when i was fairly young, but my father was then moved back to south korea because of the company he was working for. From then on, my family was kind of split up. My sisters, my mother, my father stayed in korea. I state inyed in america working in restaurants and traveled abroad. Charlie paris. Corey paris, london. Came back to new york. Charlie always teaching yourself what . Corey i think it was honing a work ethic which was really the backbone of anything i would do later on. I had that instilled in me at a fairly early age. You have to put in the work if you will get anything out of it. And pursuing it. Not waiting for somebody to teach you and take you up and give you the tools you need. I dont think you can. Charlie it goes beyond cooking it goes to life itself. Corey i agree absolutely. Charlie how is cuisine different today when you go around the world . Corey well, cuisine has changed a lot in the last decade or so, last generation. Chefs have a bigger voice than they did maybe a generation ago. I think diners are looking for restaurants where they can experience something. They go to the restaurant because of a chef or the style of food that restaurant is cooking not just to participate in some kind of Lifestyle Experience where they are pampered. They want to see personality in their cooking. That is something new. Charlie back to the notion of excelling. Im looking at Thomas Keller saying about you coreys thoughtfulness reflected in his desire of what he was doing. He was that rare precocious talent who took the long view and was more than willing to pay his dues. Charlie bycorey by todays standards were chefs are becoming younger and younger if you are a chef and want to open a restaurant, you have more opportunities than before. Over the years, i had opportunities. But i felt i was not ready. There were times where i was offered a management position and i knew it was time to go to the next restaurant. Once you make that transition to being a chef or chef owner or even a sous chef, you cannot go back. Charlie why not new york . Corey always thought i would open a restaurant in new york. When i told thomas i was leaving, i looked for new york to open restaurant spaces. The first place i looked at was in soho. I used to go there when i was here. It was a very special place for me. It was the day that Lehman Brothers went unbder. It mayde me question why did i go to new york . The more i thought about it, it did not make any sense for me. I been working in california for 10 years at that time. I had relationships with people who knew i wanted. Relationships with guests who would come to our restaurant. There were people that wanted to work when we opened. It was crazy to give that up. I look back and i think if we opened in new york, we would have been a very different restaurant. Charlie benu means what . Corey it means the phoenix bird in egyptian mythology. It stands for long life regeneration. Charlie the long view is always there for you. Corey starting a restaurant is a risky venture and you inspired to have longevity. For people that move to San Francisco to start this project, the idea of the phoenix bird resonated with us. Charlie what does it mean that you were so close to the tech community, Silicon Valley . Corey it is a very important part of the culture in San Francisco. It has become an area synonymous with innovation, newness, embracing new things, openmindedness, the future. It is this hub for this new world. Then there is the very pragmatic aspects where we have an industry that can support these restaurants. That is very important too. I think it is a very exciting time for San Francisco. Charlie i will take a look at some things and have you describe. Number one is the thousandyearold quail egg. There it is. Corey that is the first course on the tasting menu. Its a egg that is preserved through having a high ph. It is the opposite of a ceviche. It has a very high ph. We serve it with a classic soup. Charlie number two is a lobster. Corey it is basically a liquid centered dumpling. Yes. Charlie beggars purse is number three. Corey it is made from acorns. The three things around an oak tree acorns, the spanish ham and truffles. Charlie do you love it as much as david chang does . Corey i love it. How can you not . Charlie what does that mean . Corey the flavor of pork marries well with seafood, that sybil vegetables. It is almost the seasoning for me. Charlie number four is oyster pork belly. Corey it is more of a technical thing that we do at the restaurant. It is a combination of a traditional korean dish that combines oyster kimchee and pork. We turn it into a pliable sheet and wrap everything around it. Charlie you said your mother was horrified when she found out you were serving kimchi. Corey not horrified, but pleasantly shocked. Charlie she was just pleasantly shocked. Why would she be shocked . Corey i had a hard time with kimchi when i was growing up. It is very pungent. Living in a small apartment when it is hot and smelling that very intense fermented aroma of kimchee, it is overwhelming. Even as somebody who has been around it it is a very intense aroma. Charlie number five is ice fish on ice. Corey it is a really simple dish. It is ice fish. A very simple fish. It is inspired of the idea of a japanese food. Charlie number six is spring porridge with seea urchent. Corey we have lettuce, asparagus a seea urchent. Charlie tell me about the importance of how food looks. Corey my relationship with food as as talkis different for me. How to make something look delicious but not make it look like something in the back with tweezers and knives manipulating these things. That is a challenge, but it is also an important thing to let food present itself. I think it is very important. Charlie you have said about your cooking style that it does not have definition. Has it changed over time . Corey it has. When we first opened, i had one foot in the european style of cooking. There was an area of exploring. Over the years some of this has to do with getting more confidence i have been more interested in exploring how eastern asian greens can work in the context of a western menu. Charlie do you want to own a Korean Restaurant . Corey i do. Charlie because that is who you are . Corey it is a cuisine that really resonates with me. I think it has been poorly represented abroad. I feel like there is a lot of potential. Charlie this may be the goodwill ambassador of seoul korea. Corey it is an honor more than anything. Basically what it means is you are there as a resource for them if they ever need to contact you for promoting food in seoul. It is centered around tourism. Charlie ais a third michelin star what is that about . Is it recognition of quality . Is it about unique approach to food . Is it about satisfied patrons, customers . Corey for me, this is probably not what you would expect, not something i probably would have said before. In some ways, it is a very western and european validation of what we are doing. Charlie a validation. Corey not because that is what makes me feel good about the work i am doing, but the Michelin Guide is traditional. For them to say that a restaurant like benu serving the kind of cuisine we do is three stars and worth the journey, that is validation. Charlie congratulations. Corey thanks very much. Charlie i look forward to seeing you in San Francisco at some point. Thank you joining us. Back in a moment. With us. Stay with us. Charlie Noah Baumbach is here. He is a director whose movies include the squid and the whale. His latest is called while were young. the Los Angeles Times calls it accurate on the way we live now. It is not about eternal youth, but coming withto terms with growing older. Here is a trailer. We made a house and a wolf came. He blows it down. That is what happens in the middle. People say this little piggy went to the market but that is for toes. You would make such great tim e. I really loved your film. That scene with the dog around the garbage. Added you stage that . I said take a shot of the dogs. Why used readily want to hang out with a couple of 25yearold . It would be fun. We met this interesting couple. I like how engaged they are in everything. It is like their apartment is filled with everything we threw out. It is infectious. I love you. I have learned along the way that you can learn more by allowing yourself to be surprised by what you encounter. What is with the hat . You are in old man with a hat. For the first time in my life i have stopped thinking of myself as a child trying to imitate an adult. Your sleeve is on fire. Are you ok, son . You have arthritis in your knee. Arthritis . Yes. I usually just say it once. Im trying to make a film that is inspirational. Like a black shawhank . Shank . No. Lets have kids. And a want this to be every time you take a hallucinogen, you want a baby. Not every time. Charlie what movie were you intending to make . This . Noah this is sort of the movie you intend to make and the movie you know what no matter what intentions you have your going to make and discover as you make it. I wanted i did have an idea that i wanted to do something that was in a kind of comic tradition or comic movie tradition. Comedies for adults. Things that directors i have loved like mike nichols or woody allen have either made over the course of their career. They were mainstream comedies but they were about people. The laughs often came from the characters and you care about the people, but they could be broad. There was a flex abability. Charlie is it about getting older . Noah it is. It is about getting older and knowing yourself as you get older. Charlie you open with that quote. Noah yeah. I saw Andre Gregory did on of their talks. They had been working they work on these plays for years and they do sometimes they perform it in peoples apartments. This was a townhouse in the village when i saw it. It is wallys translation, too. When i heard that exchange, i thought this is kind of related with what i am working on. Charlie you have said that i think the experience of getting older was a driving force of this movie. Your experience. Noah i think all of my movies i have been trying to do both sort of there is a tradition in movies of where people are in therapy or have these major breakthroughs. You accept them because that is part of the movie. A movie cannot show the entire session of somebodys therapy. You have to show the ones that really count. Or i wanted to do i kind of inhave been trying to show the changes we go through in our lives are not always something we are aware of. It is something you realize two years later that this happened. Charlie you were evolving but not seeing it at the time. Noah yeah. Sometimes we go out the wrong way to come back the right way. Often, you do. I guess i was trying to make that cinematic in a way. Charlie that is how the movie came about, isnt it . Noah i worked on it for a while. I had different incarnations of it. I wanted to do something about couples and how couples interact with one another. And how you are with your person and you go out with another friends of yours and what you might project onto them. Are they ok . It seems like something is wrong. Charlie or it seems like something is right. Noah b but, it is often about you and about what is going on it is easier to talk about other people than it is to talk about yourself. Charlie talk about josh and cornelia. Noah they are married. Charlie ben stiller and naomi in the movie. Noah they had been married for a little while. He is a documentary filmmaker who is now into his ninth or 10th year of the same documentary. He is stuck. Hes having trouble admitting it perhaps. I wanted to present a marriage where the was not anything necessarily overtly wrong, that you could not necessarily say hey, you know that they on some level new something needed to change and needed to shake them out of a kind of routine, i suppose. When they meet this younger couple, that triggers it. Charlie and make something about living a different kind of life. Noah yeah the younger couple is almost they are many things. They sort of represent a different generation. They represent youth the kids that they dont have. They are also ben and naomis characters do not have a child and i have tried. It is one of the many ways they are coming to terms with things in life that dont necessarily go the way you dream they will go. Charlie here is what ben stiller says about you observations that are spot on. As an actor, i have seen that same thing happen in my life and every interchange theres a way Something Else going on beneath the surface but they are very subtle. I love that about his writing. He is all about the huge impacts and all the uncomfortable awkward moments we have, but hes never going for the joke. Does that resonate with you . Noah it is nice. Charlie if flatters you. Noah yeah. That is what i hope i am doing. Charlie take a look at this. This is clip number two where josh and his younger friend jamie are talking on the street in manhattan. Remember, asked me questions. You are interviewing him. Ok. Short and to the point. On the street man. Talk about war power. Make it relevant for him. Be yourself, everybody else is taken. We are going to have a screening on friday. You have done it already . You shot it two days ago. I was up all night. You will be ok. Take a day or two, make sure you like it. It already took 10 years. I remember when this song was just considered bad. But, its working. Remember, you are not going to have this opportunity. It sounds so much better when you say it. Charlie adam driver, whywhy him . Noah i had worked with him and had a great experience with him. Hes such a compelling actor. He is so interesting. Everything he does is interesting. I felt like with this part because bens character kind of falls for him. It is kind of like a love story at least for a while. He im having fun with that in some ways, i also did not want to sell out bens character. I want you to invest in this affection. Adam is one of these guys i would follow anywhere. He is so interesting. Just his body language, the way he moves. We talked about that he was almost like water. He could pass through you or envelop you. He kind of found some kind of is a goal equivalent to physical equivalent. Charlie music brings out the best in baumbach. What role should music play in a movie . Noah with this movie, it was not it was similar to technology in a way because i was having fun with the younger couple listening to stuff from the 1980s and from their adolescence. But, you know i think this notion of character and character tastes and how characters represent themselves is something i am interested in a lot. The music they play is a kind of extension of that. Charlie u. N. You and music. You own every album that Paul Mccartney and david bowie have done. Is it because you enjoy music or because music has real influence on your life . Noah it is both. Music in movies is something it is just one of the major elements for me. When i go into a movie, of what is the sound . Musically, what is the sound . There is another element in this movie which i thought brought a timeless element to a kind of contemporary story, but it also connected me to kramer versus kramer which is a movie sort of from my childhood that is not a comedy, but it i think that sort of new york and new york of my childhood, i dont know. It is that time of my life that i always seem to sort of revisit because i think it stimulates creativity for me. Initially, i was listening to it because it brought me back it made me feel creative and it felt right for the movie. Charlie this is your second collaboration with james james murphy. Charlie he becamenoah he became a friend when he made music for a movie ended great stuff for this. Charlie this is the third clip we have. This is back to josh pitching the documentary to a hedge fund manager. Did you know what the percentage of africanamerican adult males currently in jail . Take a guess. Like 60 . Jesus, no. It is over 9 . It is nearly one in 10 africanamerican adult males, nearly 1. 5 million. That is a lot. People dont realize this. They think because they have a black president. Like a black shawshank, but real . No, there is a section about the Prison Industrial Complex but the movie is about how power works in america. Really . We have over 100 hours of interviews. The movie is 100 hours . No. We will cut it. Charlie explained that seem. Cene. This is the scene after he was inspired with the music. Noah there is it takes him forever and his default after five minutes of rambling is it is about america. So, i thoughtl lets put him in front of probably his Worst Nightmare and ask him to try to describe what he is doing. Charlie do you write every move you make . Noah yeah, everything i have directed. Charlie and select the music. Noah i have great people that i collaborate with. Charlie but you cannot do it any other way . Noah not really. It is how i see it. It is how i approach the whole thing. Charlie who represents the best of what you want to be and do . Noah you mean like charlie woody allen. Noah woody allen, of course. Charlie whoever. Noah with this movie woody allen when i was growing up, he was acting, too, he would you thought like all these movies were real personal expressions. It was an authorial voice that felt personal. You phone like you thought you knew him you felt like you thought you knew him. I really responded to that. There are a lot of european filmmakers and directors do that do not write their material like Martin Scorsese but is so present in those movies in an amazing way. I think i was from a young age, i wanted my approach for filmmaking came from an but the rea of theauthorial feel. Charlie you were inspired by people like spike jonze . Noah people like them, thomas anderson. People that you feel them in every movie they are doing. Charlie i think it was scott rudin who said you could turn psychology into behavior. What did he mean . Noah well, i think it is connecteda to what we were talking about earlier. I think there is a kind of psychological truth. Im asked a lot of my movies are autobiographical. There is a psychological and emotional truth i am going for in them. And, i want to be true to the psychology from my position, the psychology of the characters. In a lot of ways, my task with these movies is finding something cinematic and physical that represents that. Charlie when you talk about eric rohmer you named your son rohmer. Do you call him rohmer or Something Else . Noah i call him ro often. I just shortened it. Charlie he is ok with that . Noah when he gets older, you might have more of a preference. Charlie where do you want your career as a filmmaker to go . Is an extension of the kinds of things you are doing just Getting Better at it . Noah i hope so. I since swqquid and the whale i have been lucky that each thing i have written, i have made. That is a great place to be. I would like to continue doing that. I think i dont have i get asked sometimes, people say do you want to go make a marvel or Something Like that . Charlie and you say no . Noah i say no because it is not how i come at it. This is the pleasure for me doing it the way i am doing it. I you know i never thought of it in different ways. It is a funny question because i almost when i was maybe 10 or something, i may have wanted to make raiders or Something Like that which i still love, but i would not now. It is not something that would charlie does it mean you are committed to small films . Noah i suppose there are never going to be as big as charlie im not talking about those. You are talking about raiders of the lost ark or movies. Noah i guess i am also sort of banking on the fact that i feel like people want to see something that has that they can connect to. It is a kind of similar but different experience. Charlie connected to something in their own life. Noah which is what i like when i see movies. I feel like there is room for both. Charlie what about your next movie . Noah that is a movie we did again. That is going to come out later this year. And charlie you permitted at sun premiered at sundance . Noah we did. I did not plan it this way to have two movies in the same year, but somehow they bumped into each other. It will come out in the fall. Charlie it is great to have you here. Noah it is great to be back. Charlie while were young is in theaters now. Many critics are saying it is his best and most successful film. A recent headline said while were young is Noah Baumbachs best movie yet. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. I am running for president. I am ben carson, and i am a candidate for president of the united states. With all due respect to ben carson and carly fiorina, really, on the same day . Oh, dear god. Another one of these gimmicky cold opens. They are always ridiculous. . . On the show tonight, a bridge and a boy, but first, ben and a