Transcripts For BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose 20141015

From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Let me begin to talk about the ebola crisis. What is new york state doing at its airports and overall in terms of being prepared . Poses twola crisis separate problems. One is the medical and Public Health issue. The second is the panic and anxiety issue that goes along with it. From the medical point of view it is a question of having the right protocols in place and making sure the hospitals understand and personnel and making sure they have the right equipment. We also have the airports where we work with the federal government on increased screening procedures. For us it is jfk, john f. Kennedy airport and the guardia which are two very big airports. Jfk is a Big International airport so we have focused on that airport. The Port Authority runs the Newark Airport so those procedures are in place and they are important and we are working very closely. You doubled up . We have more procedures in place. The medical besiegers are about protocol, education about protocol and compliance. At the same time the dialogue on , it is amazing how quickly panic can set in. A little anxiety can be healthy. We have to watch what we say and how we say it because panic is never productive. The amazing thing about it is so much seems to be unknown. How did this nurse contract the virus when she had all the protection that Health Care Workers are supposed to have . Right. It is not my field. What they would say is the article is as good as the compliance with the protocol and Something Like ebola, you only get one mistake. You only get one slip up. And the protocols can be quite u make a, and if yo mistake, you can expose yourself or expose other so it is very serious business. Let me talk about this book, why thatgs possible, title . All things possible because the basic messages do not give up. Do not give up in your arsenal life when you hit hard times. When you get knocked for a loop. Probably happen somewhere along the way. Do not give up. It also applies to where we are as a government, where we are as a society. We have a lot of big problems and a lot of big frustrations. Do not give up. All things are possible. We can turn it around, you can turn around your own life and turn around the course of the state, you can turn around the country. Lets talk about that. You are thinking about writing a book about loss. Yes. When i went through, i had a blessed youth in many ways and my career was doing great. I was one of the youngest cabinet secretaries, i was in the white house, flying around on air force one. Everything was great. And married to a kennedy. It seems like one day i woke up and everything was terrible. Great trajectory of success to abject failure. And for me, i can laugh about it now, i basically cried about it then. My nightmare. I came back into new york after a great time in washington. Office, the same office that my father held. The distinction for 12 years. It was a disaster. You had to withdraw. Right. It wasnt nightmare scenario. Scenario. A nightmare we make it sound and all those commencement speeches like it is a straight line. You come out of college and you go to graduate school and then victory, victory, victory. And that is what happened. There were very few books on losing and how do you handle loss and what do you do with it and what did it mean, and how do you manage it. Yet, so many politicians have lost in their career. Ill clinton, a very successful atitician, lost as governor arkansas. Your father lost campaigns and then he was governor of new york. There are very few Success Stories that did not have lost in the early chapters. That is why understanding loss and dealing with a can be helpful. What did you understand about it . It is it forced me to look at issues i had not looked at. It forced me to reorder my priorities in life. What was really important. Did you find that people saw new unmanned a man who was different from yourself . You had come out at a young age of being a political manager were you have to make the hard decisions, you ran your fathers campaigns and youre the guy who has to say now, you are the guy has to be tough and it creates a persona so that even people in albany called you the prince of darkness. And i talk about it in the book. It is almost always true somewhat in politics. What people see and the impression people get, is that really me, is that supposed to be me . In my case there was no doubt that there was a difference between the perception and the reality. Through made me look at me. Made me look in the mirror and andly see what was going on to try to learn from it. When you looked in the mirror you so what . When i looked in the mirror first instinct is to find excuses. Right . Which is probably helpful. When youre under such pain, you cannot accept the blame initially. I am a victim, it was somebody else, it was the weather, it was this. I was misunderstood. I made a mistake. It was timing. The world is unfair. Maybe how good we are at creating coming up with creative explanation so it is not about our liability. If you are selfaware enough to phase, thent denial what was it that did not work . Lets figured out. Lets fix it so it does not happen again. Successful the stories end up happening if you learn from the loss. You have to get up off the canvas. How did you do that . It was knowing that you had to do that first. You do not bounce it a bit the next morning and say, you have to go through a process. You have to understand it will be a process. Dawn, irkest before the can tell you that for sure. I think i went at it analytically and i did educate myself and i did talk to people and i did read. I found that i did a lot of soulsearching, i reordered my priorities. From what to what . When you are in halle tics and in washington and you are in t was it is the only world you know. You have friends and everybody wants to be your friend and you get invited to all the right parties and then you lose an election and like a light switch. The phone stops reading ringing. It was humiliating even in that election. You talk about seeing paul mccall running for that nomination as well and you feel like the clintons did not want to see you. That they were closer to him and they would leave before you had a chance to come over to see them. She would be walking with him. This was humiliating for a guy who had been in the president s cabinet and a guy who had been a political operative. Tough york politics is a as this and it is binary, charlie. It is thes that the fact that clintons gave you the Cold Shoulder . Understated. You did not understand it at the time. I did not appreciate it at the time but i understood it and i understood the political circumstances they were operating in. It gave me a different reality to deal with that i think was true or to a longterm, stable reality. I found a lot of comfort, and my, in my family, three girls. I thought it was going to spend time with my daughters i was going to spend time with my daughters because i was worried about what they were feeling about going through a divorce. I was going to help them. They wound up helping me. They were theys, safe place and spending time with them actually was more beneficial to me i think that it was to them. A small group of real friends who were friends when you win or lose and that is what is important. So all in all, i think it turned out to be a net positive. Out the other and a different person and that is what i wanted to talk about in this book. , it canet youve up be a positive longterm even though it does not feel like it. You did not want a divorce. You believed you could work it out. You have had many problems as marriages have problems enter press secretary comes in. You learn from your press , that your wife had filed for divorce. What it says emma the way it actually happened was, my wife was saying she wanted a divorce. I did not want to hear it. I could not hear it. Force. Is a powerful lauded it out. Y i was sure that i could fix it. I was always, up till that point, i had always been successful in fixing things and i was going to fix this. And it would not happen. I could not conceive of it happening. It was that terrible. My wife at the time cap saying i want a divorce but i could not hear it and he became real when a reporter said, i am reporting on it, it will be in the newspaper. That she will ask for divorce. That moment was undeniable. It is now in the newspaper and andecame tabloid fodder i was in total denial. I did not want to hear it. I could not accept it. We will fix it whatever it is. You know what being a politician was like a pleasure father was a politician. Away from home at crucial times. Do you repeat that, you are not devoting as much time to home as you do now. I did repeat it. Early on. That was a mistake. When i was in washington, my girls were born while i was in washington. I was in the clinton cabinet. And we were working all the time. That was the culture of that administration. We did a lot of good things that that was a seven day a week administration. It is a big country and i was all over the country. And i did work too hard and took too much time for my family and i took too much time for my marriage and i paid for it. I have not made that mistake the second time around. How do you know . Because i have spent so much time with my daughters that they say please, go to work. Dont you have something to do . You are governor. Can you please find something to do and leave us alone. And to find another woman helps you come to grips with what happened as well. Supportive and there is tomorrow. How are you different beyond that. Are you a different person . I am a different person and that i take all this with a grain of salt now. Not the endall. It is not where i live. It is what i do and what i do now and i take that very seriously but it will be over one day. One day i will not be governor of new york just like one day my father was not governor of new york and one day i was not secretary of housing and urban development. That is the real life that i am calibrated to. I have been given this great opportunity for a short time to good do good things for the state and i am so appreciative of it and i work very hard at it not reality. One day will be over and that is ok. That is ok. Your life is in politics. But it ends. I definition, it ends. Tell us the story of your dad running for a fourth term against george pataki. He is lying on a bed and his is hisnd with him acceptance speech or thank you speech and you have to go in and say to him what . He went into the room, the polls suite that night, closed at 9 p. M. And he went into the room at 10 minutes to nine with his acceptance speech and said he wanted to rehearse the speech a little bit him a close his eyes, and relax before having to go down and give the acceptance speech in the ballroom. And he walked into the room thinking he had won the race, the exit polls all day said he had won the race. P. M. , theout after 9 polls closed and they rerun the numbers, the model they used on the exit polls was wrong, he is actually going to lose the race by a couple of points. I had to tell him this. That is why i wanted to the room and he was as you said, he was laying on the bed fully dressed and he had his eyes closed and his hands folded on his chest, and he was just not quite dozing but calming himself, ready to go down and give the speech. And i just stood there because i did not know what to say and he opened his eyes and he looked at me. And when he looked at my face, we knew each other so well, he knew right away that something was wrong. And all i could say was, we are going to need another speech. He did not say a word. He got up and we started writing a second speech, but it was a shock, it was a shock. You did not expect it. ,rankly, he did not deserve it so it was a shock. I want to read you something that fried a friend of mine who knows you in State Government said the about the two of you. The polar opposite of his father and he was he lacks his fathers vision but is a man of action, not words and is much more effective in his capacity to mobilize legislature and get things done. Is there a difference between appraisal that a fair of you and your father . You do what you need to do at that time for public service. I do not think it is about what you are comfortable doing and what you would prefer to do, or what your personal characteristics would have you do. Its you should do the role that is needed at that time. When my father was governor, his purpose was to convince the people of this state and the people of the country about the need for government and the possibility of government. I see my role differently now create i think people get the need and the possibility. I think he was successful and others like him more successful were successful in articulating the need. Partis came at a time and when president reagan talking about government is not he was the juxtaposition to trickle down to my government is the problem, not the solution. Et the free market work the total retrenchment from in collective action. My father was the antidote to that. And the articulate or of the oppositeor of the theory. People think youre much more centrist than he was even though it is a different time, that the things he believed in were much more liberal and progressive and you can point to the fact that you supported samesex marriage and supported and you came out strongly for gun control and you had an appeal there but you also were a guy who cut taxes and did some other things at a time of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party may be saying is he one of us . Obviously, i talked to my father. I cannot think of an issue that i would address where he is said to me even privately, i would not do that. T is a function of the time in a much different face and it was 20, 30 years ago. We are now fighting with me neighboring states to keep businesses, to ke residential homeowners in the state. When my father was governor, we did not have this level of competition. You could move to connecticut, jersey, florida, north carolina, back to north carolina. We are in competition and you did not have that same sense. Uring i fathers time what our tax rate is makes a difference. So on the economics, i have pressures that he did not have. On the social issues, this is still the progressive capital of the nation. Some people believe the mayor of that the city has taken that progressive label and when people in new york think about the liberal progression progressive in style and cuomo, they think of de blasio. New york city,s i represent new york state. My constituents are in new york city but i represent the whole state, and there is a difference between upstate and downstate. A i ideology there is difference so they are very different jobs and two very different constituencies with two different sets of values. In my position at the end of the day, i have to make sure that this state is economically competitive, and i have to make sure that the tax situation keeps us competitive, so yes, i reduced taxes all across the board, not just for the rich. The middle class has paid lower taxes since they than they have since the 1950s. We cut the waste and fraud. From my point of view, that is exactly what we should be doing. That is what a progressive should be doing. When did it become written in the bible that are aggressive anitics is running inefficient, bloated government . No. Progressive politics is running an efficient, streamlined government that actually gets money, and performs more more money, more money. That is not the mantra. The difference other than de blasio runs new york city and you run the state . In terms of how you see the world . I think we see the world the same way. I think you represent upstate new york which has economic pressures that downstate does not have. The politics are more conservative. Upstate, politics are more conservative, you could say, definitely. Economically, they are in a much harder position the new york city. Is one of they slowest in the United States and it has been for a very long time. They cannot compete with high taxes, charlie. Is one thing for new york city that has a set of unique assets. Upstate new york is in a tougher economic position and i have to make sure they have a tax structure that allows people to stay there and businesses to go aere because they have seen reduction and economic strength. Decade after decade. Let me go back to your father for second. Did you blame yourself because you did not leave washington to come run that campaign for him . In part. You did. In part. You felt guilty. Yes. How did you express it to him . I do not know that i ever did. I should have come back. I didwould have won if come back. I do not know if i use that word. Those words. Cuomo ate the andrew that time could not apologize . Rex those words are hurtful. He knows how i feel. It was a tough place. I had always been helpful to him , obviously, from his first campaign. I was in washington, i had started a new family, i was an assistant secretary of the department of housing and urban men which is a big deal, a Senate Confirmed position, etc. I was not in a position to leave my family and leave my job and york. K to new i do not know if it would have made a difference. In the justl that loyalty family sense, i should have been there . Yes, i do. He also had this thing that he liked to come back to albany and sleep in his own bed. Always. From anywhere. Even if he was in san francisco. Always. That famous speech. He came back. If some of that in you . Not to that extreme. I think he got there over time. Ie basic point started that am the governor of new york, i get paid to be the governor, i should be here. Something happens, a storm, flood, i should be here. Aroundi am gallivanting the country or gallivanting around the world but then i am not some where i am supposed to be and that will speculation start speculation that i want to be something else. My father got a little extreme. California and back on the plane. What a greatd speech. Back on the plane in coach with a bag of pretzels. Is that it . So today, where were you on the night that you won the time mary, the democratic primary. People said he was not out there celebrating. What does that say about you . The democratic armory was not the most hotly contested race. They did better than many thought you would do. 40 of the vote is not that against a sitting governor. It was a very skewed election in that the turnout was very low. Precisely for that reason. People did not think there was there was nothing else really on the ballot. People did not think it was a major threat although it was a much reduced turnout. Nevertheless, there are those who interpreted it this way. More progressive and was able to make an appeal to progressives in new york that you are not liberal enough. I do not know if it was that it was that. Have, it depends on what you think a progressive should be doing. I have taken on the Public Employees unions. Why . Because the state was going bankrupt and i do not believe that a progressive means inefficient management. I do not. If that is what progressive means, progressives are in trouble. I took on the Public Employee unions, they are a main supporter of the democratic liberal establishment. And my opponents are the people he came her supporters. The teachers union, i have issues with. Why . What issue do you have . Pushing aggressively teacher performance and evaluations. The state spends more than any other state in the nation per student on education. More than any other state. We are dead middle of the pack in terms of performance. I want to know what teachers perform, what schools perform, the highperforming teachers should get a bonus and a low performing teachers should get help. The highperforming schools should get a bonus and incentive and the lower performing schools should get help. This has caused friction with the teachers union. I understand that. But to make, education is not about the teachers union, it is about the student and we lost that somewhere along the way. So who is the progressive . The person who is willing to take on the union to focus on the student or the person who pledges allegiance to the union . When did progressive mean that i am the supporter of the ,ureaucracy for the program rather than i am an advocate for the goal . You did not debate your opponent. It does not seem like an andrew cuomo who is confident, who believes in his argument and thinks he has the right ideas, who made the argument you made to me. To me it was not the most serious of all a live tour contests. Electoral there were issues that developed. It was not a serious race. I am now in the general election. They were differences between me and my opponents. I proposed and accepted two debates and we will see what they say. When what will they you say . Years. Ll serve four happens if i have a heart attack and drop dead and do not serve four years . My promise . You know what i mean. If somebody says you will not make a pledge to run for president in 2016, will you sign it . I will not run for president. That is what everyone says. It will be hard for you if for some reason, assuming that secretary clinton runs, you will supporting her with enthusiasm. Right. Click she does not run. Resist doing what you must feel your father had a chance to do and did not do . And you probably wished he had done. Well, you have a couple of theories on that. Cannot father did, you counsel anyone, you should run for resist doing what you must feel your father had a chance to do and did not do . President , or i wish you had run for president. That has to be a burning desire that you have that you are so sure you want to do this. It is like counseling someone, you should marry this woman. Either you feel it or you do not. Is there a lot about politics that is like romance . More than you would guess. He did not feel it erie it he did not want it badly enough at the end of the day. I respected that. Did you understand it . I understand him so i understood it. So you, do you have the burning desire to be resident . The only burning desire i have now is to be the best possible governor i can be. We have had a great four years. We have had great progress and i have a burning desire to bringue the next four and the state to an even better place. To doe the opportunity phenomenal things here. What is the most important thing to accomplish if you are reelected governor . I want to finish the job that we have started. We have started turning around economies in the state that have been depressed for decades. Russert,l friend tim when we were in our 20some things, tim went on and on about how the count had lost hope and lost faith. His hometown. Yes. Nobody cared. Buffalo is making tremendous process progress. Cities that were using losing young people now believe again. Turning around this Education System. It does not work. Every politician gives a great speech about how education is our future and everyone knows the Public Education system is not doing what it needs to do and it is going to be a disruptive shift and it is going to upset unions and terrance and pta parents and ptas. Progressive government. Progressive government works. Progressive government gets results. When i say i have a different mission than my father, my father convinced people of the concept of progressive government. Especially in opposition to the reagan era. I see my mission as proving to them that it can actually work efficiently, effectively. Everyone will say the same thing to you. If i know my tax dollars will actually go to an Education System that will educate a child, i would pay the taxes, the issue ink array, the bureaucracy does not work. And many times, they are right. Well, then is this more a republican argument . The conservative argument will be government does not work. You are wasting your time. It cannot work. Let the free market work and anything the free market does not do, charity should do. That is the conservative argument. Nice and simple and all these Government Programs and bureaucracies are either counterproductive or waste of money. I think the vindication and the advancement of the progressive making thesel is, concepts of reality. Making Education Systems work. Please, make the Transportation System work please. Make the housing system work, please. Make the Security System work, please. I am afraid of isis. I want to believe that government can actually protect me. Show me that it can but not with words. I heard the speeches. I have heard them all. I want to see the results and the performance, and that is what i am focused on. Are we going to see you at the end of this first term, when trips,in to make foreign you went to israel and afghanistan. What is that about . That is about specifically at that time the rise of isis, the rise of terrorism, the that there is a new normal when it comes to terrorism, the way we have a new normal when it comes to Climate Change and extreme weather. There is a different weather pattern. There is a new normal. We have floods, we have hurricanes we never had. Does this say a governor should be interested in foreign should have ae foreign policy, she should have a comprehension of where the this country fits in the world . You know youre at the top of the list for any terrorist. New york city, new york state, you are at the top of the list. You learn that the hard way. Several times. The the security and making sure people in the state are secure, Public Safety is job one, and understanding the dynamics that is driving it. I do not believe it is going away. I do not believe this gets better. I believe this is a new normal. I believe this isis, there are a number of groups. Of you supportive what what the president has done . Could he do more . I support the president on his war on terror. He is the commanderinchief. He calls the shots. I do not think we can do enough. This is the new reality. Criticism of the president. At a time when he was asked to support and secretary clinton said we need to do more and the defense secretary all said we should do more and the president said no. It is not about yesterday and i will not secondguess the president. It is about tomorrow and working cooperatively with the government to make sure the city and state are secure. Why do you think his numbers are so low . It is a tough time out there. I think the economy, the numbers say good things. I do not think people feel it and this is been a long slog, this economy, and it is not where we wanted to be. Ofhink that is driving a lot anxiety on both ends of the political spectrum. What would you recommend the theme or the great narrative if secretary clinton runs out to be . There are two great challenges. Make the government work, performance results. These are frightening times. Thea emma ebola, government had better know what it is doing. Government that are know what it know what itetter is doing because it does not, we will not be safe from these terrorist threats. You should be prepared if the military believes it necessary to put combat troops on the ground. Threat, you have to resist it and they are within reach of baghdad. I think the threat is worse than isis. He will be isis today, it will be another group next week and another group. Not just in the middle east . That is exactly right. I believe we have to go down two tracks simultaneously. Try to reduce the anchor and the and the hatred before it just dates and you need the Security Systems in place here at home because they are coming. The only question is when. The other challenge is going to be the economy. What does the economy need that it does not have . Doesnt need increased demand, for corporations to spend more some way toit need create some stimulus, to create more demand . We have a crisis in the economy and that is what in service or business . On both ends. People do not feel it. They do not believe in it. Confidence has so much to do with the marketplace. Businessconfidence, confidence, investor confidence. I think a lot of the political extremes and the heat coming from the extremes is generated by this longterm economic anxiety. We have had cycles before, but they were quick downs and quick ups. This is a slow drip and it is six or seven years. There is a democratic president. And the senate is democratic. What happens if the senate goes republican . It is going to be interesting at that point. Let me talk about things that are not in the book. The Moreland Commission is not in the book. I do not know a single issue that people are more critical of you. You understand that. You believed the commission was look created to look into gretchen and you abolished the commission. That is the way people see it in the public. Has beens the way it communicated. That is not the fact and reality. This is a political dispute more than anything. I wanted the legislature to pass Ethics Reform law. I said if you do not, i will tooint a Moreland Commission investigate. The legislature did not pass the law. I created the commission. I then said, if you pass the law, i will decommission the commission. Because i want the law. The Legislature Passed the law. Law i wanted. They did not pass something called the Public Finance which many of the editorial boards of new york support which i support , which is controversial, and happens not to be supported by the people of the state and the legislature would not pass Public Finance. But i got 85 of what i wanted. I take 85 of the bill. The criticism was you should have waited for Public Finance and gotten 100 . And you should have kept the commission going until you had Public Finance. You were smart enough to know that the appearance was you created a commission and then canceled it. And the commission was to investigate corruption. Yes. But the purpose was to get the law passed. Would you do it again . I would have communicated more extensively the purpose of the commission, because it seems like legalisms as you know. Not need another commission. It was your commission. You must know the Political Risk of saying we are canceling this and how hard it is to explain that. You found out. I did not explain it before the fact which was a mistake. Oftenld have said, more than i said, when i get the law passed, if they pass a law, i will decommission the effort. They arepart of it is saying you got 85 , you did not get 100. You should have held out for 100 . You should have held out for Public Finance and we think you made a bad deal. 100 in to hold out for four years, i would not have passed the bill. My job is all about moving forward with come from eyes, compromise and this legislature was not going to pass with a wanted which was Public Finance. This is still a democracy. We are in an election cycle now. The best way to get Public Finance is to elect legislators who will pass Public Finance because the current legislators will not. Let me ask about you into things. Observation, he knows how to use the instruments of power but he relies on a handful of close aidses. He does not delegate power and he is not able to track attract top talent. He is not comfortable with evil he does not know well. Has hadadministration the best talent the state has had i believe in modern political history. I know everybody who has been in every administration. We have gotten a tremendous amount done. We have broken every record. The you look at the progress the state has made, it has been phenomenal in four years. 17. 4 million jobs. We are number two in job creation. We had a budget passed, every create Credit Agency increased the rating. It has been an outstanding record. That does not happen without a team. Micromanage, delegate more. , you are too handson. They say you do not suffer. You push too hard. You micromanage. Yes. All of that. Do you plead guilty or not . You cannot have one without the other. I plead guilty. If you say to people if there is something about andrew cuomo do do not like come a u it is because the am the way i am that we have this. I do not i am a delegator. I said you elect me, i work for you twice for hours a day, seven days a week. If theres a problem is my responsibility. If it goes wrong, it is my responsibility. In four for years i have never said it was him. Never said it was this person or this person or all the legislatures or this. My responsibility. You can go to albany and find people around you who would say, governor, youre simply wrong. People who advise you. All the time. They enjoy it. I enjoy hearing it. I do not need to hear what i am doing well or what i am doing right. I need to hear what i am not doing right. That is how you help me. You said you learned a lot. You are on the floor. You had to get up. At you say to yourself, times, i have been too ambitious, i have been too anxious . Your first run for Political Office was not for the city council. It was not for lieutenant governor. It was not for congressman. It was for governor. Governor. Is there a bit of too much ambition to soon in andrew cuomo . Is that one of the lessons . That was lesson 1, 2, and three. I think that was it was an overreach in running for governor. Coming out of the clinton administration. Politicalerrible judgment. It violated the first rule, all politics is local. There is the sense that somehow, there is about you something that somehow rubs people the wrong way occasionally. Do you understand that . Does that resonate with you at all . It may back go back to the prince of darkness and albany. I do not know where it comes from. There is a bit of that. I asked people, where should i what should i ask him . What do you want to accomplishment, learning from s, they also say, i think it depends. Campaign manager for my father as a young person created a certain image and it was a certain role and by the way, that was the job. You are Campaign Manager running against the system. It is all up hill and it is new york halle, and it is roughandtumble. Win at all costs . This is hardball and it is the fast pitch cage, and that is what it is. It is new york politics. You do not have the stomach for it, they do not care if you are 19 or 55. So it was a very tough business. At, i think what you look what i have done in four years as governor. By my relationship relationships accomplished a great deal. The governor of new york, you do in thee that much power job description, believe it or not. I was attorney general before i was governor. You have more constitutional power. As governor, you want to get anything done, you have to get it done with other people. You need the assembly. New need the senate. The need democrats, you need you need immigrants, you need republicans. We have had unparalleled success in putting together those coalitions. Washington talks about gridlock. They have gridlock. They think they have discovered gridlock. They did not discover gridlock. Albany discovered gridlock. We had 30 years, honey three budgets 23 budgets relate. An average of two months. This was real gridlock, new york style. It was tough. We did the exact opposite. For budgets passed for the first time in 30 years. What you described is some of the qualities that president obama had not had. It is true that you have gridlock in washington. Had to work with republicans. Or you would not have passed what you have done. I have had to work with republicans. I have a senate that is controlled by republicans. I understand you have to get the republicans to agree and you have to get the democrats to agree. That is when youd tend to say, the far left is ipy with certain things heard the far left. Unhappy with certain things. I had the republican senate. I have to get this passed. Balance in all these measures. I will read you the last paragraph. Americans are the rare souls and offering the people who are brave enough to get into small votes to cross great oceans to come to a faraway land and they ld the greatest nation in on earth and continued to be the global force of freedom. Pioneer and immigrant blood is in the veins of this country. That is the resilient, supportive character of this nations. That is what makes all things possible which is the title of your book. Governor, thank you. My pleasure. Andrew cuomo for the hour. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Im mark halperin. Im john heilemann. Mark is on the road today and with all due respect, he should have taken the keys to the liquor cabinet. Hello, fans. Colorado gets rocky, the war on isis it gets even more daunting. But first, president obama canceled two Major Campaign events after a second dallas Healthcare Worker came down with the disease