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Plans to treat more patients in the community have so far failed to save money or reduce Hospital Admissions in england, according to the governments spending watchdog. The National Audit office says ministers were over optimistic in thinking a scheme called the Better Care Fund could save £0. 5 billion a year. Robert pigott reports. When residents of this care home in sutton have to go to hospital, an innovative scheme helps cut their stay to a minimum. Their medical and personal details go with them in distinctive red bags so doctors and nurses can make faster and more effective clinical decisions. Its been a great asset for us, and we are able to pass the information on with a guarantee that its going from ambulance to a e to the ward, and following them through. Weve been able to reduce length of stay for those Care Home Residents who Go Into Hospital by four days, which is massive when you think how the system is so stretched at the moment. Butjoined up care isnt working everywhere. The National Audit office says the spending of more than £5 billion of nhs and council money on integrating health and social care has not given value for money. Starting in 2014 15, the scheme aimed to reduce Emergency Admissions to hospital by more than 100,000, but in 201516, admissions actually went up by 87,000. Over the same period, the project was supposed to reduce the number of days lost because people were stuck in hospital by almost 300,000, but one year later, it had increased by 185,000. The Public Accounts Committee is calling for Long Term Solutions rather than short term funding. They need to look at why this isnt working. What is it thats stopping the beds being available, even when there is, at least in the short term, some money being thrown at the issue . The government says its too soon to judge the impact of the integrated funding. Robert pigott, bbc news. Our correspondent fiona lamden can tell us more. Fiona, what was the Better Care Fund set up for . We have being told the main problem with our Health Service is the lack ofjoined up thinking between health and social care and thats why historically you have seen elderly people stuck in hospital, blocking the beds with nowhere to go. Social ca re the beds with nowhere to go. Social care is looking after people in the community . Thats why when patients come in they are on trolleys because the elderly people have been blocking the beds. They came up with the Better Care Fund at a cost of over £5 billion, but the National Audit office has looked into it and have come up with three main criticisms. The first is Emergency Admissions have gone up, not down. The second thing is that the number of people stuck in hospital without a suitable care package, well thats dropped and thats meant to go up. It hasnt saved very much in the last year, only £0. 5 billion. Thank you very much fiona. Thank you. Here is joanna with here isjoanna with the news. Mps are to vote on the brexit bill today, deciding whether to give theresa may the power to leave the eu. Last night the government saw off a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put to the commons. A battle for control over the process of brexit. How much say Will Parliament have . Order. Last night, mps ended more than seven hours of debate which contained what some saw as a concession from the government. I can confirm that the government will bring forward a motion on the final agreement, to be approved by both houses of parliament before it is concluded. In other words, mps will get to vote on any Future Brexit deal before it is signed off by the government and the eu. But theresa mays negotiations with other eu leaders are likely to be complex, and some mps are worried about her threat to walk away from the talks rather than take a bad deal. What the house wants is the opportunity to send the Government Back to our eu partners to negotiate a deal f1 hasnt been reached. Last night, the government saw off a number of attempts to add conditions to the bill which gives it the power to start brexit, but some backbenchers remain unhappy at what ministers offered, and the divisions between those who argued for brexit and those who campaigned against it were plain to see. The bill reaches its final stages in the commons today, threatening to expose further rifts within labour, and more tough questions from tory backbenchers. Despite the arguments, the government seems confident it can trigger the exit process next month. Lawyers for President Trump have been trying to convince an Appeals Court to bring back his travel ban on people from some mainly muslim countries. The court heard that Donald Trumps ban on arrivals from somalia could help stop members of the Terror Group Al Shabab getting into the United States. But lawyers for two us states said it discriminated against muslims. Judges will make their decision later this week. The governments plan to double Free Childcare for Pre Schoolers has been thrown into doubt, with most councils saying they are unsure if they can manage the scheme. From september, three and and four year olds in england will be entitled to 30 free hours of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has found that more than half say they dont know if they have enough places to offer. Victim support groups are calling for more protection for rape claimants in the courts. Some rape victims say they were interrogated about their own sexual history while giving evidence against their attacker. Today mps will debate a bill that would stop a bill that would stop Defence Lawyers from this kind of cross questioning. Tens of thousands of starlings are performing a nightly ritual or murmuration in cumbria. Their Synchronised Flying creates an amazing aerial ballet. The friends of the Lake District group has organised a number of Viewing Events before the season ends later this month, as dave guest reports. Its an aerial ballet with a cast of thousands. A mass of starlings flying in mesmerising harmony. The dictionary tells us this is called a murmuration. It also tells us the word has been in use for hundreds of years, but why murmuration . Nobody really knows why it is called this. Its an interesting word because they do not really murmur. Its a very old word. Short answer, nobody knows. But why do they form these patterns and move together in harmony . Again, nobody really knows. There is some suggestion that they come together at dusk in a big group because it protects them from predators. Why they do this amazing aerial ballet before they settle down for the night, nobody knows. Why would they pick this spot . Its a stunning landscape. Why wouldnt anyone want to spend a night here . And so an audience gathered in cumbria for one of the greatest free free shows on earth. This is one of several Murmuration Viewings posted by friends of the Lake District. And so as dusk gathers, so too do the stars of the show and they dont disappoint. Someone estimated there were 60,000 or so starlings out there. I will take their word for it. Im not sure how you would count them. Then, as darkness falls, so too do the starlings. It is curtain down on another perfect performance. Hundreds of students have taken part in a massive Snowball Fight in vancouver. Dubbed a battle for snow mans land the event was organised on the campus at the university of British Columbia after heavy snow fell at the weekend. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Zoe says, lady gaga is an amazing woman. Anyone spouting such nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. Body shaming is disgusting. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Is will is is willis here. , r is will is here. , r whenever we see a vote of confidence, it is not long until the manager. How have leicester gone from being premier League Champions winning game after game with this style which everyone knew they would throw the ball forward to jamie vardy, they still went on to win the Premier League title. They have changed their style and they are struggling in the Premier League. They are just one point above the Relegation Zone and they havent won a game in 2017 and havent scored a goal this year either, but again, the contrast that theyve cruised through their Champions League group, no one expected them to do that. Really struggling in the Premier League. Can the champions be in a position where theyre going to go down to the championship. Ranieri doing his best to insist that there is nothing majorly wrong at the club. There is no crisis. Of course, when you dont win you lack a little confidence, its normal. Its normal. But fortunately, these players are warriors because they are used to fight because they already had this situation. Leicester are in this extraordinary situation where they are trying to avoid relegation. They had the Premier League title in their own hands as ranieri kept saying last season, but the good thing for them is they have the relegation situation in their own hands. They play all of the bottom four, but they have this situation where ranieri is he unsackable . He won the Premier League title . Could leicester sack him . Probably not we will see. Alastair cook has been talking about his decision to step down as Cricket Captain . We have heard from Alastair Cook in a couple of interviews yesterday. A couple with the bbc and hes saying how sad he is to walk away after the record 59 matches in charge. One thing he said hes keen to play on which is important because he is so important for scoring runs for england and we have seen it over the past, havent we, when an england captain has continued to play on and it doesnt last much longer. Kevin pietersen, Michael Atherton and michael vaughan, Alastair Cook at the age of 32 is still to carry on. He said hes keen to for the new captain to really listen to advice. He said it is something he didnt really do in his early days just because there is so much to take on board. Joe root is the outstanding favourite. All the oldies are talking about him being a great captain for england going forward. He is at a good age, 26. Michael vaughan was on 5 live last night with a couple of others, Paul Collingwood and Jimmy Anderson saying hes the man to go. But cook said he would do a good job, but there are other candidates as well. I think hed do a very good job. He has got something about him to bat the way he does. He has got a huge amount of respect in the dressing room. But there is other people as well, ben stokes has got a Leadership Role at some stage. The way he has improved and matured as a cricketer and he is one of those people that people gravitate to and Jonny Bairstow and jos butler, were lucky there is a good group of people pushing forward. Whoever gets it, it is one of the greatestjobs youll ever do. We havent heard anything official as to when we might hearan anything official as to when we might hear an appointment aboutjoe root, but england have a one day series against the west indies, you would imagine theyd like to get it sorted before that. We expect an announcement next week with joe root expected to get the job. Wales have an important game, in the six nations, but the captain has been focussing on Something Else . Have a look at this. Will he be drowning his sorrows in a bit of this stuff . Ale win, 5 and he has been pouring pints in wales ahead of the huge match against england in the the six nations. So wales and england are looking to make it two out of two and be in a strong position to go on and be in a strong position to go on and win the six nations, the welsh captain casually pouring a few pints before the big game a mother says compensation awarded to her two young sons after they were racially discriminated against will never make up for the distress they were put through when police were called to the school over toy guns they were given as presents. They didnt have the gun in the school. The boys, who were five and seven at the time, were segregated from classmates and spoken to by police after concerns were raised by teachers that they could in fact be real guns. Although both the home office and police strongly stress officers were not called to the school in a prevent capacity, kay, not her real name, believes it would not have happened if her children had been white. Prevent is the governments anti Extremism Programme and under the Scheme Schools are required to have due regard to the need to prevent people from being drawn into terrorism. Were going to talk to the mum anonymously in order to protect the identity of her children, as well as debaleena dasgupta, who is a legal officer for liberty and solicitor for kay and her family, and alex kenny, from the National Union of teachers. You bought your children are present, the eldest, seventh at the time, was telling his teacher about the gift, what happened after that . Icame in the gift, what happened after that . I came in to collect them from school the day after he told the teacher about the gifts. He made it clear it was a toy. There was not any suggestion and they did not telephone me to confirm or say otherwise. Had he told them about the noise they made . otherwise. Had he told them about the noise they made . I presume they would have asked him. If they had asked him, he would have said that the toy gun was green and orange and it did not have any bullets and it made the noise and it was pretty and the boys liked them. You went to pick them up 2a hours later, said the next day what happened . Pick them up 2a hours later, said the next day what happened . |j pick them up 2a hours later, said the next day what happened . I came to pick them up and i went into the Reception Area and the headteacher took me into the office and said there had been an incident and the police had been called. I was terrified, i thought something had happened to the boys. But the headteacher assure me they were fine and all sorts of things were going through my mind as to what had happened. Like what . I thought they had hurt someone else, or they had said something which meant the school had concerned about their welfare. Whenever i asked the Teacher Questions she was clear she could not tell me anything and i could not tell me anything and i could not tell me anything and i could not see the boys, who were being, iwant could not see the boys, who were being, i want to say held, but they we re being, i want to say held, but they were with their teachers in the library away from their classes. By Thenit Library away from their classes. By then it was after school time, so they would have been hungry and tired, as children are after school, andi tired, as children are after school, and i was terrified for them because i knew they would be scared themselves. You had some fruit in themselves. You had some fruit in the car you wanted to give them, but you were not allowed to give it to them. No, i was you were not allowed to give it to them. No, iwas not. Somebody else could will stop that is right. The headteacher told me i could get them from the car, and i had it anyway, you have to feed children after school because they are like feral animals. But she said she would give it to them and i was made to wait in her Office Waiting for the police to arrive. Officers did arrive, how many . Two uniformed officers. They came into the school and were taken through the main hall where there was an after School Performance going on with about 2030 performance going on with about 20 30 parents present and they went to the library where my children we re to the library where my children were being held and without me they questioned the boys for a short period of time. As i understand it they were sensitive and careful and they were sensitive and careful and they came straight through to me after a very short period of time and the first thing they said as they walked in wars, there is nothing to be concerned about. There has been a mistake. There was all a bit of confusion about the toy guns, but it is clear they were toys and the boys were lovely and cooperative. In fact, they asked if i could have my permission to show the boys the police car because they promised the boys a treat. They were trying to be as sensitive as they possibly could which i really appreciate it. What was your response . I was flabbergasted. Appreciate it. What was your response . Iwas flabbergasted. Of all the things it could have been, a gift of a toy gun would never justify Holding Children for an hour and a half, two hours, and having them scared by uniformed officers, having our reputation as a family trashed by all of the parents knowing at the school that the police had come in to see my parents and me. Do you think your Family Reputation has been trashed . Absolutely. I had long standing reputation with the school and had known the teacher for many years, i was a volunteer reader, i had a dvs check, i volunteered and had helped out with a baking sale a few weeks before, i helped out with their secret santa workshop, i knew all the parents, it really did devastate me. There was a lot of gossip going around. I have good friends who told me the things that were said. What did they say . That the police had come in to talk to me and there were chinese whispers and there was talk about me throwing myself on the ground and people thought something had happened to my children and me. I told very Close Friends what had happened and they were devastated for me. It has affected my ability to be the kind of parent that i was before. I no longerfeel like i fit into the community because of what has happened. What about the impact on your boys . We are trying to help them move on. It does not assist them move on. It does not assist them right now for them to know about the case and the publicity. We are trying as a family to move them on from this. But there are ill effects. From a day to day basis the boys have nightmares. The youngest, who is only five, gets scared that he will be taken away from his siblings. He wakes up in the night, he never did before, this incident has traumatised him. My eldest boy, he was extremely traumatised and when we got home he had what i can only describe as an emotional meltdown. After half an hour of crying and being upset he threw himself at me and said he thought the police were going to take him away. That was upsetting for him and us. He has serious issues with trusting his new school and his new teachers, which is not fair on them or us. You have put them somewhere new . Yes, i moved them straightaway. Why did you believe the headteacher, who was the school bus matley, when it comes to safeguarding, why did they call the police . It is fear. The day the disclosure was made to the teacher was on the day of the belgian bombings and people are scared, terrified. Teachers have, as you say, this duty to look out at children and look for signs of radicalisation and extremism. I know the teachers involved all have some very paltry prevent training and but for that training they would not have been looking for these sorts of aspects. One of the things the teacher said was she had noticed a change in behaviour in my eldest son and he had been speaking arabic in class and talking about going to friday prayers with his dad. Now, we are not muslim and my child has never set foot in a mosque and he does not speak arabic. From that Point Of View the school was ignorant. But even if they were, there should not have been this sort of suspicion raised at small children. It does not help them or assist them, it is not about their welfare. They are looking at small children as if they were grown ups and criminalising them. Would this have happened if your boys had been white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so sure white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so sure is because toy guns are prolific in our society, whether you believe in them or not. Children will fashion toy guns out of pieces of toast, my boys did. These were the first toy guns i had ever bought them because they ta ke had ever bought them because they take up sticks in the garden, all boys do it. I know that children in his class who were white had huge amounts of toy guns. I also know there are parties which involve what they call nerve gun battles. The teacher must have had to hand out invites to parties. Those children have never been referred under prevent. This is what i do not understand. A child talks about a gift, talks about a gun as a gift and the teacher absorbs that information and they cannot be concerned because they do not mention anything until 2a hours later, at which point the headteacher called the police. Not you. Yes. Does not chat to the child, calls the police. So it is racism . I think it was Racial Discrimination. Racism is a difficult time because people will shy away from saying something is racist. Everybody has a certain degree of racism, teachers, policemen, everybody in the front line, but it is knowing how to acknowledge it and deal with it. Instead of acknowledging that they perhaps have these thoughts because my children are not white, the teachers put two and two together and made six. The local council have apologised to you and the boys and have given new compensation. This was due to the school not following procedures around safeguarding concerns. Schools are encouraged to deal with incidents at a local level, meaning only the most serious are escalated. I have read the local Authority Guidance and one of the things it says, and i am sure others say, is if the school is not sure, they should ring 101, which is what they should ring 101, which is what they did. It is not fair to put the blame squarely on the school. The duty encourages them to look out for signs of radicalisation which are not specific and they are noncriminal, so you are essentially making small children. The fact the teachers thought speaking arabic and attending a mosque was a reason to be concerned about radicalisation says to me that the prevent duty is somehow skewed against those of colour. Let me bring in alex kenney from the National Union of teachers who is a teacher at a Secondary School and a legal officer for liberty. I can hear you sighing as kate tells us the story. Really it is so absurd it is ridiculous, the decision the headteacher made. Is so absurd it is ridiculous, the decision the Headteacher Madem is so absurd it is ridiculous, the decision the headteacher made. It is astonishing. I think the school made astonishing. I think the school made a bad call when you listen to the story. There was no common sense. It isa story. There was no common sense. It is a story that should make everyone pause and stop and think about how we are dealing with very difficult issues in schools. What we are seeing is the Government Policy and strategy in this area, the prevent strategy, and that Government Policy in this area. It was nothing to do with the prevent strategy, it was Racial Discrimination. It may have not been a referral, but it is within the government strategy. Not been a referral, but it is within the government strategym was a toy gun. How was it to do with prevent . The prevent strategy places that duty on schools and it has created a fog of confusion and fear in schools. I am sorry, if you were on duty that day, there is no way you would have called the police. No, but what happened is schools are scared, there is a fear about getting things wrong. There is an expectation that schools should pick up expectation that schools should pick up on the smallest things and discuss them and referred them. Schools are more scared of not reporting something than reporting something and getting it wrong. That has got to be entirely wrong. The home office tell us, as do the police, it is not a prevent case, under its schools are required to have due regard to prevent children from being drawn into extremism. What do you think . It is disingenuous. It only happened because of the prevent duty. The teachers have done some training and they believe they might have two report this because of prevent. It is the fact they did not do it properly, but that does not mean that they did not do it under prevent. The teacher did not say anything to the headteacher until 2a hours later. She thought about it and she got maybe she had to put it under prevent, she was not sure, the guidance was not clear. It was a toy gun, she was a teacher. Of course it is ridiculous, it is discrimination, but it is disingenuous to suggest prevent did not cause this. It is fundamentally the reason it happened. If the strategy did not exist, i do not think the school would have made that referral. You could say if Racial Discrimination did not exist, the school would not have called the police. |j did not exist, the school would not have called the police. I think it is the former. What this strategy does is it shines a light on Muslim Children or children who are non white. One of the problems with the prevent strategy is there is no accreditation or regulation on who does the training. There is a whole industry who do training in schools and we have heard of cases where people have been told by trainers that Learning Arabic or deciding to wear a hijab that Learning Arabic or deciding to weara hijab might that Learning Arabic or deciding to wear a hijab might consider cause for concern. So you are creating this suspicion. You are creating a confusion in schools about when to use their judgment. You confusion in schools about when to use theirjudgment. You are creating tension between teachers and young people about what are legitimate subjects for discussion and how to have those discussions. It is alienating. It will alienate young people. T marks these children out as other. It marks them out not to their teachers, but their classmates and thats problematic. It legitimises discrimination in schools and thats why so many people have been calling for a review of the prevent. The National Union of teachers is saying this is not something we should be forced to have due regard to in the same way as is currently legislated for. The legislation is so unclear. Definitions are unclear. It doesnt even properly define extremism. Some people are sympathetic, others arent. Ntl says this is a heartbreaking story. Sarah and david, sorry peter say this is making a mountain out of a molehill. It was a silly mistake, but dealt with impeccably. These things happen. I would take issue with that andi happen. I would take issue with that and i would say to people to misquote a film badly im just a pa rent misquote a film badly im just a parent standing in front of other pa rents parent standing in front of other parents asking them what if you turned up at your school to collect your children and they were being held in a library away from their friends, scared, what if uniformed officers came into where their children were being held and questioned them . How would they feel . Would it be a mown tonne out ofa feel . Would it be a mown tonne out of a molehill then . I think not. It is easy to try to dismiss this. I dont have an agenda. Im not an activist, im just a mum. It is not a molehill. One of the things were looking at is the numberof things were looking at is the number of referrals every year and the doubling of the number of referrals through prevent. Most are coming from schools and the majority are of muslim people. Thats not a sign that were doubling the number of radicals or extremists every year. It is a sign that the strategy is out of control. And needs a re think. Is out of control. And needs a rethink. The police and home office say it is nothing do to with prevent. David says, i found It Astoweding that a teacher wasnt intelligent enough to ask a question to ascertain whether it was a toy or not. Would would move my kids to another school. Not. Would would move my kids to another school. The not. Would would move my kids to another school. The school say at no stage did they doubt it was a toy gun that was given to the children. What . Absolutely of the thats whats been through all the papers we have dealt with. They said at no stage did they doubt it was a toy gun. So what was the Headteacher Playing at . Thats a question youd have to ask her. Were not identifying the teacher or the school because we want to protect the identity of your children. Thank you for your time. Thanks very much to all of you and to three counties radio who we worked with on this story. I want to report my daughter who is missing. The nation were shocked by the fake kidnapping of shaon matthews. The bbc have dramatised the story around her disappearance and we will be talking to two people who were at the centre of the story at the time. Well be crossing the atlantic to speak to a republican and democrat supporter as American Government lawyers attempt to convince an Appeals Court to reinstate President Trumps travel ban. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Plans to treat more patients in the community have so far failed to save money or reduce Hospital Admissions in england, according to the governments spending watchdog. The National Audit office says ministers were over optimistic in thinking a scheme called the Better Care Fund could save £0. 5 billion a year. Mps are to vote on the brexit bill today, deciding whether to give theresa may the power to leave the eu. Last night the government saw off a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put to the commons. The Prime Minister says shes committed to triggering article 50 to begin formal talks by the end of next month. Lawyers for President Trump have been trying to convince an Appeals Court to bring back his travel ban on people from some mainly muslim countries. The court heard that Donald Trumps ban on arrivals from somalia could help stop members of the Terror Group Al Shabab getting into the United States. But lawyers for two us states said it discriminated against muslims. Judges will make their decision later this week. The governments plan to double Free Childcare for Pre Schoolers has been thrown into doubt, with most councils saying they are unsure if they can manage the scheme. The governments plan to double Free Childcare for Pre Schoolers has from september, three and four year olds in england will be entitled to 30 free hours of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has found that more than half say they dont know if they have enough places to offer. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 10am. Here is will with the sport. The italian has been given a vote of confidence by the board ahead of tonights fourth round replay with derby with leicesters owner flying over from thailand for the game. The Football Association chair. A motion in the fa will be debated in the House Of Commons tomorrow after five former fa executives said the Governing Body failed to self reform. Germanys world cup winning captain has announced he will retire at the end of the season. He will leave Bayern Munich a year before his contract expires. Alastair cook says joe root would did a good job if he is appointed as captain. Cook stepped down on monday saying its sad to walk away. I will have more for you at 10am. In 2008, the disappearance of this girl 9 year old Shannon Matthews in dewsbury, west yorkshire, sparked a massive search involving the police and the local community. After 2a days shannon was found hidden under a bed in the home of michael donovan, who was found to have faked the kidnapping with shannons mother karen, in order to claim a reward. Last night, the first part of the moorside, a dramatisation of the case on bbc one. Police emergency, i want to report my daughter as missing, please. What do they call her . Shannon matthews. I just want her found. Well find her, love. The response of this community has been absolutely amazing. Havent seen nowt yet. Whoever has got shannon, please let her go. This has been our biggest inquiry since the ripper, weve spent millions and we still havent really got any answers. A story that shook the nation. You both know she has been lying to us. I cant stand this any more. The moorside on bbc one. Were joined from our leeds studio by two people who saw the real search unfold, susan howgate, who is a cousin of shannons mother Karen Matthews and the reverend Kathy Robertson responsible for Stjohn The Evangelist in dewsbury moor, where the family lived. Thank you very much for talking to us. Susan, what do you recall about that search . Well, the first night when she went missing my husband went up to her house and he came back and he said, shannon, one of the children is missing. I said no. Soi the children is missing. I said no. So i went up and the police and everything were like there. I put me arms around her and sat down and that and then like i said, she was crying. This is karen, this is shannons mum, you mean . Yeah. I just put me hands around her and said if you need me, just give me a phone call, you know where i am. I says i will be there. I said the day after we went up, me and me husband and that and we were like there nearly every day going out searching parks, wherever we could. And you believed her . Pardon . You believed her . Karen matthews initially . Well, at first, yeah, i thought, well, like i said i had stuff in my mind thinking why has she disappeared . I trusted her, you know what i mean and when i found out that she had done it, you know what i mean, it just made me sick. Reverend tell us how the Community Came together at this time . Well, the Community Just really came together at this time . Well, the communityjust really pulled together, there was some strong leadership within the community. Everybody sort of mucked in. They searched. They gave up their time to look for shannon and to support one another. There was a real sense of that community, a real sense of belonging to the community and a real sense that shannon belonging to that community as well and obviously they wanted her to return to the place where she belonged. Yes. And so when the Community Found out that some of their own had been, you know, conning them, effectively, how did that affect people . Well, it affected people in a very different way. There was a lot of perhaps disappointment surrounding it, some people felt they had been betrayed in some way. But obviously the mood definitely changed on the moor. Yes. Did you watch the programme last night, susan . What did you think of it . Well, the programme i agreed that the community and everything come together, but some of the stuff on that drama is just false. Come together, but some of the stuff on that drama isjust false. What did you think wasnt representative of what actually happened . It is a drama in the end, isnt it . Well, yeah, it is a drama, but there is some parts of the drama where i didnt agree, you know, what i mean . Like i said, this is going to come out and then its going to affect all the family again and other people. I just didnt agree with all the family again and other people. Ijust didnt agree with it coming out. What affect has this whole case had on your widerfamily, what affect has this whole case had on your wider family, susan . Well, i have had a lot of bother. I have had my windows put through. My auntie has been getting grief. Stuff like that. Its just, but like has been getting grief. Stuff like that. Itsjust, but likei has been getting grief. Stuff like that. Itsjust, but like i say with this drama coming out now, its probably going to, well not me especially, but my auntie, it could affect, you know, affect her again. Why have you had your windows put through in the past . Because they found out that i was related to her and you know, like i am a cousin. They found out. They had seen me on tv and everything, but i had all me windows put through and i had to get out of the house and i had to leave half of my furniture and some personal belongings. So simply being a member of the wider family, having the Matthews Surname was enough for you to be targeted . the Matthews Surname was enough for you to be targeted . I dont have the Matthews Surname, but my maiden name was wadden, ive never been a matthews. What do you think about that, the way the family has been targeted in the way susan described . It is distressing. It is not fair and it is not right that other people should be targeted in any way shape, sherbly or physically. Thank you both very much for coming on the programme. I really appreciate your time. Thanks susan. A cousin of Karen Matthews. Coming up the streaming device subject of a series of police raids across the country. American government lawyers have been trying to convince an Appeals Court to reinstate President Trumps ban on people from seven mainly muslim countries entering the United States. They said mr trump has acted within his powers and that the court which suspended the ban last week made an error. The Bbcs Rajini Vaidyanathan has the background an explains why the Us Supreme Court is likely to have the final verdict. Almost as soon as the ink had dried on President Trumps Executive Order, it was being appealed. Lawyers were camped out at airports. A number of Different Cases have come before the courts. The first prevented Us Immigration officials from deporting anyone who had come to the us from those seven countries, or as a refugee, since the ban took effect. But it didnt take long for lawyers to challenge the Executive Order more widely. Cases have been filed from coast to coast. A court in massachusetts temporarily halted President Trumps Executive Order, allowing those affected to fly to the us again. But then, a week later, in a victory for President Trump, the same court ruled that that travel ban was back on. But it only took a day for the Executive Order to be blocked again, this time by a court in seattle. Lawyers there argued that President Trumps Travel Restrictions would hurt their economy because they rely so heavily on immigrants. The law is a powerful thing. It has the ability to hold everybody accountable to it, and that includes the president of the United States. President trump has been tweeting his support for his law, and his administration say theyll fight all these legal challenges. It is just frustrating to see a federaljudge in Washington State conducting American Foreign policy, or making decisions about our National Security. So, we can expect these Court Rulings to go backwards and forwards. Whoever is on the losing side is likely to appeal, and so on. It could take months for this case to eventually reach the Us Supreme Court, the highest law of the land. Its likely that it will. The current confusion around President Trumps Travel Restrictions leaves those affected in a bit of a limbo. Donald trump says his Executive Order is designed to keep americans safe, but ultimately, it will be down to americasjudges to have the final say. Lets go live to washington and to a republican who was a Speech Writer for George W Bush and democrat who isa for George W Bush and democrat who is a pollster and strategist. Argue for talking to our audience. What sort of pressure is President Trump under over all of this . He is under a lot of pressure, especially after the womens march showed there were a lot of people willing to travel to the capital to oppose his policies. The Executive Order prompted protests at airports, including dallas, washington, and people were protesting very joyfully and dallas, washington, and people were protesting veryjoyfully and happily and the spirit was good, but it has prompted a lot of resistance and opposition from just your average person. Does it matter about that pressure . In the end it will be down to the cause and it may go to the highest court in the land eventually. It does matter for the Executive Order to come about in the way this one did to stop Thejustice Department was not consulted. The Homeland Security agency was not given a chance to weigh in on the implications of this and for it to come out it has been disorganised and it was stopped. It says something about the early days of the presidency, amid reports they are not ready to go and a lot of the posts they want to fill have not been filled and this does not make it look like they are ready and ready to consult the experts who would see what type of problems abound like this would cause. When you see how unpopular this is and how much attention it has got and it continues to feed itself. That is why we have proceedings on something pretty technical broadcast live on cable news and covered in real time in its entirety and that is very unusual and that shows the amount of attention over what is just another flash point and another pain point in this very fractious, damaged transition time. Surely a president is the best place to make decisions about National Security . The court serves as a check and it was one of theissues serves as a check and it was one of the issues that came up in the proceedings yesterday. The argument said it did not seem like they were getting a very receptive, open audience for the judges, but we will see over the next few days. Can the court review this . Can the court throw out something that the trial administration wants, but there is also the issue of intent and that is where the politics come in. Lets look at the four corners of the document, lets look at the words in the Executive Order, but the other argument is we should be looking at the intent and when you have the president very consistently saying how he wants a muslim ban. Rudy giuliani was an adviser of the president and afterwards he said on the tv two weeks ago the president wanted the muslim ban and he asked me how to do it legally. The majority of americans think the intent was to have a muslim ban and it plays a role in the legality of this. President trump himself said it is definitely not a muslim ban. It is popular with plenty of people. Had it been carried out with a bit more thought and consultation and less swiftly, he might not have found his Executive Order in the course anyway. It probably would have still been challenged, but it would not have had the same attention. The law does give the president the authority to suspend immigration of aliens and that law was passed long before donald trump was passed long before donald trump was president. The tram administration themselves argue they did not pick the seven nations identified in the Executive Order. They were identified in 2015 by the Barack Obama Administration as citizens who hold dual citizenship and they will not be allowed freely to come in and out of the United States and those were the nations affected by the Executive Order. Thank you very much for talking to our british audience, anneka green, a Speech Writer for the democrats and marjorie armero, a pollster. Coming up this is sian and she lost her husband to leukaemia. The law is about to change from april. She was not married to her husband. We will explain how. We will explain how. These little boxes are the subject of a series of police raids around the country this morning. They are known as kodi boxes. They in themselves are not illegal but if theyre used alongside Certain Software they are because they allow households to stream tv shows, Football Matches and films on the internet for free. Lets talk to the Director General of the federation against copyright theft, kieron sharp. His is the organisation which has been carrying out the raids this morning. And the bbcs Technology Reporter chris foxx. I willjust bring this equipment with me if i may. Chris, for those who do not know, ip tv box, what are they . Kodi is software, so it pulls in video that you have downloaded, your Music Collection and things you have streamed on the internet. It is perfectly legal. The box is legal . You can install kodi yourself if you wa nt you can install kodi yourself if you want Different Software to manage your media collection. But also people sell them preloaded and it is already on the box and you buy it as already on the box and you buy it as a complete package and some people sell it with add ons on top of that, third party add ons and they sometimes give you access to things like sport, movies, that you have not paid for, and that is what is in question. Hence the popularity . Exactly, everyone likes a free lunch. It is not surprising people look online for a way to stream football that is free. Why are you targeting the people who sell the boxes . What they are selling is preloaded boxes with the availability of this material for a small fee. Clearly we need to go after those who are making that are available, the ones who are distributing and selling those boxes. That is what we did this morning. There were six raids across the north west of england against very substantial sellers of these boxes. Is that going to be enough to deter consumers, households . Certain things will come out of this. There will be criminal prosecutions and there will be a Deterrent Effect from that. Within those investigations of these businesses there will be all the records of people who have bought them and we will have to follow up with the police on those enquiries. We do not wa nt police on those enquiries. We do not want to prosecute people who use them, we want to get behind those who make them available, but they will get swept up in the criminal investigation. If you are swept up in this issue, as you put it, what might happen to you . The likely result is you would be asked to make a statement about the purchase of the box to assist the prosecution. But if you were resistant to that or perhaps for some other reason you may get prosecuted for it, you are committing a criminal offence if you use these boxes to download something into your living room that you have not paid for. It is theft. Yes. If it was me i would say i had no idea, i was buying this box with all these add ons legally, i thought it was legal. I do not think it is a problem, people know you have to pay for it. If you are not getting these preloaded boxes in big supermarkets or the high street, but from independent retailers who advertise you can get all of this for free, if you can get all of this for free, if you install it on an amazon box, it isa you install it on an amazon box, it is a bit ofa you install it on an amazon box, it is a bit of a factor do and you have to have some know how to get the kodi software and then the add ons. That is probably not a very good defence in this case. How much does this cost the Film Industry and the football right industry each year . The overall picture is unknown because it is so large scale. Really . Forecourt purposes we looked at each individual case and see how much the potential cost has been to the industry and then we can extrapolate that to make a bigger picture. As a consumer, what would you say to a household who think this is a good advice . The history of pirating tv is nothing new. People used to get Viewing Cards to watch the sport for free. If you have got a kodi box at home there is nothing to be alarmed about. If somebody has installed it, it is fine, but if you are unknowingly using it to watch things you have not paid for, that is an issue. I do not paid for, that is an issue. I do not suspect the police will come out to everybodys has otherwise they will never be finished. Thank you for your comment about the teacher, the headteacher, who called the police after a little boy said he had a toy gun. The mother was on the programme saying this would never have happened if the child had been white. Kennedy says, i do not think the teacher was being racist, just foolish. Mike says, this isjust racism. Ellie says, did this really happen . The teachers need referral. Sarah says, i am not sure whether this is about prevent or not, but it isa this is about prevent or not, but it is a shocking lack of common sense. I feel for the parents. Keep is a shocking lack of common sense. Ifeel for the parents. Keep those coming in. Lets get the latest weather. This morning we have had a real host of different weather. It is a cold start to the day across the highlands, but a start to the day across the highlands, buta bright start to the day across the highlands, but a bright one. As we come further south into yorkshire we can see the beautiful rainbow. We have got this ridge of High Pressure in the west keeping things fairly settled but cold. Then we have got this Weather Front in the east. That will drift further west today allowing the cold, Continental Air to come in behind it across many parts of the uk. Through the course of the morning we hang onto the cold conditions in the west, but patchy fog now starting to live. In central and eastern areas with cloud we are looking at showers and a keen easterly wind coming off the north sea. Bright skies in western scotland, snow over the grampians and as we come across Northern England and much of england actually, there is a lot of cloud around. You might see the odd sunny break, but that will be the exception rather than the rule. The odd wintry showers on the east coast. For South West England it is a Beautiful Day with sunshine and not as cold. Similar in west wales. In aberystwyth we are looking at about eight celsius. Move away from the sunshine and we are back into the sunshine and we are back into the cloud. Northern ireland has quite a bit of sunshine around after a cold start. In the evening and overnight we hang onto this keen easterly wind along the east coast. There will be snow on the grampians and at lower levels and down the east coast and some of the showers will be sleet and snow. There will bea will be sleet and snow. There will be a widespread frost and the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. In the west tomorrow we will see some sunshine and in central and eastern areas they are not immune to the wintry showers. Inland we are looking at sleet and snow. By tomorrow the cold air will be right across the land. Good morning. Today the warning from a Government Spending watchdog that one way to ease pressure on the nhs is to bring together health and social care and not saving money or freeing up beds in england. Also today, a mother whose sons were interviewed by police after one of them told their teacher about their new toy, a gun, has told us the familys reputation is in ruins. A toy familys reputation is in ruins. Atoy gun familys reputation is in ruins. A toy gun would neverjustify Holding Children for an hour and a half, two hours, and having them scared by uniformed officers, having our reputation as a family thrashed. You can see the full interview on our programme page. Jill says, my son chris was pulled aside by the authorities when he took his green plastic water pistol in his backpack on holiday. They shocked us. We are white. We made light of the whole thing as parents should. Youngied owers tell us why an allowance they receive because their partner has died is an essential part of their income and should not be cut. Madonna is back in malawi to adopt four year old twin girls. If you have adopted a child from abroad, let me know your experience. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Plans to treat more patients in the community have so far failed to save money, or reduce Hospital Admissions in england, according to the governments spending watchdog. The National Audit office says ministers were over optimistic in thinking a scheme called the Better Care Fund could save £0. 5 billion a year. Mps are to vote on the brexit bill today, deciding whether to give theresa may the power to leave the eu. Last night the government saw off a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put to the commons. The Prime Minister says shes committed to triggering article 50 to begin formal talks by the end of next month. A mum says compensation paid to her two young sons after they were racially discriminated against, will never make up for the distress they were put through when police were called to the school over toy guns they were given as presents. Central Bedfordshire Council have apologised for how the two boys were treated and said it was due to the school not following Council Procedures around safeguarding concerns. The boys, who were five and seven at the time, were segregated from classmates and spoken to by police after concerns were raised by teachers that they could in fact be real guns. The mother says her sons would never have been targeted if they were white. The boys both suffer nightmares. Nigh youngster who is only five gets scared that hes going to be taken away from his siblings. He wakes up in the night. Lawyers for President Trump have been trying to convince an Appeals Court to bring back his travel ban on people from some mainly muslim countries. The court heard that Donald Trumps ban on arrivals from somalia could help stop members of the Terror Group Al Shabab getting into the United States. But lawyers for two us states said it discriminated against muslims. Judges will make their decision later this week. The governments plans to double Free Childcare for Pre Schoolers has been thrown into doubt, with most councils saying they are unsure if they can manage the scheme. From september, three and four year olds in england will be entitled to 30 free hours of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has found that more than half say they dont know if they have enough places to offer. Victim support groups are calling for more protection for rape claimants in the courts. Some rape victims say they were interrogated about their own sexual history while giving evidence against their attacker. Today mps will debate a bill that would stop Defence Lawyers from this kind of cross questioning. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 10. 30am. Heres some sport now with will perry. Leicester manager Claudio Ranieri has denied that theres a crisis at the club despite the reigning premier League Champions being just one point above the Relegation Zone. The italians been given a vote of confidence by the board ahead of tonights fa cup 11th round replay against derby with leicesters owner flying over from thailand for the game. Leicester are yet to win in the league this season or even score a goal. They sitjust one point above the Relegation Zone. There is no crisis. When you dont win you lack a little confidence, its normal. Its normal, but fortunately these players are warriors because they are used to fighting. They already leave this situation. They leave the good things, but also the better things. Football Association Chairman greg clarke says he will quit if the organisation cant win Government Support for its reform plans. A motion of no confidence in the fa will be debated in the House Of Commons tomorrow after five former fa executives said the Governing Body had failed to self reform. Germanys world cup winning captain philipp lahm will retire at the end of the season. The 33 year old announced his decision after bayerns german cup last 16 win over wolfsburg. It means he will leave bayern, where hes won seven League Titles and the Champions League, a year before his contract expires. Alistair cook sastoe root is ready to succeed him as england test captain but thinks there are a number of other candidates. Cook stepped down on monday and says its sad to walk away with root the favourite to be appointed skipper. I think hed do a very good job. He has got a huge amount of respect in the dressing room. But there is other people as well. Ben stokes has got a Leadership Role no doubt at some stage. I think the way he has improved. He is one of those people that people gravitate. Jonny ba i rstow that people gravitate. Jonny bairstow and jos butler did a great job in bangladesh. Were lucky there isa job in bangladesh. Were lucky there is a good group of people pushing forward. Hover gets it will do a greatjob. The chairman of the japanese Golf Club Set to host the sport at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics says they are bewildered by requests to lift its ban on women becoming full members. The International Golf federation has said it will consider moving olympic golf at the games to another venue if the current club refuses to admit women as full members. The club currently allows women to join only as partial members and restricts when they can play. Thats the sport, ill bring you the headlines at 10. 30am. Sian is a mum of twin seven year old boys and is a police officer. Last year her husband died of leukaemia, he was just a0. She says she is one of the lucky ones because she is entitled to something called the widowed parents allowance. Its a benefit youre entitled to if your husband or wife dies, but you must have children, be under a5, and crucially be married or in a Civil Partnership to be eligible for the payments which last until the child is out of a parents care. But this is about to change and sian has written to her mp to raise the issue, not for herself, but for others. In my humble opinion, it should be available to all parents who are bringing up bereaved children. I know of someone whose partner died last year, leaving her with a small baby. They werent married, so shes not entitled to wpa. Why is that they be not entitled to help from the government in the form of payments is her dad paid in . Is no child should have to live in poverty because their mother orfather has died. I am only six months into this horrendous journey, but i cannot see how a year from now i would be in any less need of this support. My children are not suddenly going to be able to fend for themselves while i work full time. Widowed parents are the only parents the children have. We are our childrens everything, and quite frankly, i would not be able to be the parent my children need and deserve without the small cushion of wpa. Thats just part of sians very moving letter. From april this year the payments will only last for 18 months. At the moment when a spouse or civil partner dies there is £2,000 tax free sum then a Monthly Payment of £487 which will be taxed. Under the new system, the tax free lump sum goes up to £3,500 followed by 18 Monthly Payments of £350. If you are on this allowance your payments wont be affected. Lets talk now to ros evans who lost her husband two and a half years ago. Shes now 47 and her husband died when he was 46 and they have two children aged six and 12, and georgia elms who is chairman of Charity Widowed and young which helps those who have been affected by a partners death early in life. And mp Debbie Abrahams who speaks for labour. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Ros i wonder if you could give us a little insight into what its like to lose your partner when you are so young, when he was so young . It is something you just never expect. Mike was full of life. He worked hard. He played hard. He had a great iy hard. He played hard. He had a great joy for life full stop. Life was for today and for living. He was only 46, at age 44 injune 2012 he got diagnosed with testicular cancer, by that point it was a lump in his stopl auk and started bleeding. He had chemotherapy, surgery, he had kidney failurement we lived on a cancer rollercoaster. You never knew what was going to happen. You never knew how you were going to get through that night. So we were so busy or i was so busy trying to keep him living and looking after the children and finding people to give them to through every single emergency which happened continually to think about what would happen afterwards. I had no idea how we would sur rife afterwards because youre too busy trying to keep somebody alive thaw dont expect to die. Even when he went in the hospice i thought he mightjust come home and pick up a bit of strength. Hope continues. After he died you decided to give up work to be a full time mum and the widowed parents allowance helped you do that . I worked in the Theatre Industry for over 20 years on the technical side doing lighting, great time, great career, long hours, difficult to deal with children. I continued to work when i had my first child around my husbands work. He was paid more. He worked in the corporate industry so he was away a lot too. When we had our second child i didnt work in the first year because it couldnt coincide with his Work Schedule and then after that he was just away a lot. The motor shows come one after the other, the other in the spring and he then got cancer when she was 18 months. Ididnt make 18 months. I didnt make a conscious decision to give up, thats the way it happened. I had to look after him and Young Children and there was no possibility of even thinking about work. How important has the widowed pa rents work. How important has the widowed parents allowance been for you . Its my main source of income. It is topped up by Child Tax Credits and child benefit. Im two and a half yea rs, child benefit. Im two and a half years, so beyond the point that it would now stop and it is still my main source of income. I dont have experience in any other kind of work and its difficult for me to go back to my ownjob. I have started aplaying forjobs. I filled to my ownjob. I have started aplaying forjobs. Ifilled in my first ever application form. The Theatre Industry works on who you know in your lastjob. I may have to train into something different. I need to look after my children first. But as you are a current recipient of this allowance, as i understand t you recipient of this allowance, as i understand tyou wont be affected . No. What will happen is for new claimants from april, people would only be eligible for this for 15 months, you would get £3,000 upsfropbt and £350 for 18 months. Is that enough . No way. No way. Upfront. I found out i was pregnant the day after my husband died so i could have claimed that until she is 18. Like ros i have been working part time and it enables you to be around for your children that are grieving, you know, suddenly, you know, its notjust your own grief that you have to deal with, you have to be there to support your children. And you dont have any, you know, you dont have back up. So its, that money helps you with extra childcare and it enables you to be able to work part time and 18 months isjust nowhere near enough. Is this is what the dwp say a dwp spokesman said the old system, introduced more than 90 years ago, was based on the outdated assumption that a widowed parent relied on their spouse for income, and would never work themselves. This doesnt reflect peoples lives today. The new Bereavement Support Payment restores fairness to the system and focuses support during the 18 month period after a loved one dies, when they need it the most. It is also easier to claim, it wont be taxed and will be subject to a disregard for benefit claims, helping those on the lowest we could survive on my husbands wage. He was paid a decent wage. Our outgoings werent huge. They are saying, it wont be taxed. It is really that 18 month period after a loved one died that you need the support . It is not 18 months. Theyre basically saying that my daughter when she was 18 months old, thats it, you dont need any help. Family allowance, that lasts until they are 18. So they think, theyre not taxing it, but at the moment it is being taxed at probably the same amount. So no, it is not, it is an insult to say it is difficult for the first 18 months. Its not. Its ten years for me. This is money that my husband paid into with his national insurance. It is not their money. Had he lived it would have been his pension. The other thing, theyre saying that they are modernising it. If theyre modernising it. If theyre modernising why havent they included people who are not married . One in six children are born to parents who are not married and theyre ignoring them. Debbie abrahams, as a labour mp you dont agree with the changes that are coming in in in april. In april . Is there any chance of a reprieve . M is under hand. The government introduced it as a secondary legislation, it wont be debated on the floor of the house so were pushing for that. As ros and georgia outlined, the impact around Child Poverty for example, we know that three quarters of the parents who are bereaved, 40,000 children are affected in 2015 will lose on arsenaling £17,000. This really compounds the grief that theyre experiencing the opportunities they have to comfort their children, but putting financial pressure on them. It isa putting financial pressure on them. It is a new low for the government. The people who are eligible will have no idea. Somebody could die in a car crash and they could say you have no right. It will not be upgraded with inflation, six months after somebody has been bereaved, they have to demonstrate that they are actively looking for work. It really is absolutely appalling. Are actively looking for work. It really is absolutely appallingfi is very hard with Young Children. Absolutely, they compound the grief they are experiencing. 4 million children are already living in poverty. The potential impact of this will increase and this is a lifetime effect, it is appalling. When you are in opposition it is easy to say these things. When you are in government you have to make these really hard decisions. Are in government you have to make these really hard decisionsm are in government you have to make these really hard decisions. If this is the type of society we want to live in, we have had tax cuts for the wealthiest, we know from the Institute For Fiscal Studies analysis that the people on the highest incomes have been the net beneficiaries of tax changes. It is people on low incomes particularly who will be affected. It just is appalling. It is challenging being widowed as well as having to do this as well. You found out the day after your partner died that you were pregnant. I cannot imagine what it is like. Yes, it was a very difficult time. My daughter scarlett still says, my daddy did not know i existed. Yes, it was very. Obviously you can show her photographs of her dad, do you talk about him a lot . Yes, i do, to make sure there is a bond. When i tell her off, she says, my daddy would not have told be off and i say, yes he would. And i also tell her about the charity that has saved my life and kept me going, so she is able to mix with other children who have lost their parents. Also we support adults and we say as long as the aduu adults and we say as long as the adult is ok, the child will be ok. We have just been away on a weekend with a load of other families and it makes her realise that she is not the only child like this. But it is horrible. Just telling you a one year old daughter that her dad has died is one of the most awful things you can ever do. My eldest daughter started Secondary School in septemberand he daughter started Secondary School in september and he should have been there to see that. Your griefjust carries on. The government introduced this in 2014, before the 2016 Welfare Format and the two Child Limit Clause and they have reassessed or re evaluated the Financial Impact of this. As a minimum they should be doing that and presenting that to the house so we can debate it. How are your children . Aged six and 12 . Yes. Three and a half years without their daddy. The younger one, he died when she was two, so she has less physical memories. You have to make those for her. You have to have photo albums to look at regularly. My photo albums to look at regularly. My oldest son has a memory and find it in some ways a lot more sad and does not talk very much. My younger daughter has always been very matter of fact and she will talk about it quite a lot. But actually aged six she has become much more clear. She will say suddenly, i want to stay with you. You are the only parent, the only person they have got. So if you are out of work every hour of the day and they are in childcare, they have already lost one parent and they do not want to lose another one. If you do not have that ongoing financial support, that is very difficult. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you for talking to us. We asked caroline nokes, the parliamentary under secretary she declined. At the dwp, to come on the programme, but she declined. Mps will vote again on the bill that could see the formal start of britains exit from the eu. A number of changes are being voted on, including protecting the rights of eu citizens living in the uk. The bill will then go to the house of lords. But what impact is all this having in eu countries . Is it leading to the citizens of other European Countries wanting to leave the European Union too . We can talk to our assistant Political Editor norman smith whos at westminster. Todayis today is the day when we expect theresa may to get the thumbs up for her bill triggering our departure from the eu. What is amazing when you think we have had two weeks of parliamentary argy bargy, fears that mps might be able to delay or even derail the plans for brexit, she seems on course to get that bill through the commons with an absolutely stonking majority and with no amendments at all. In other words, she will have succeeded in getting her bill through unaltered on her timetable. More than that, she seems also to have basically split her opponents asunder, they are all over the place. Last night we had tory rebels, those determined to fight her, some of them backing her, some abstaining, some voting against, and on the labour side they are also at sixes and sevens. Some are also at sixes and sevens. Some are determined to resist brexit even though the party is under the mandate from Jeremy Corbyn to back it. And yesterday the Labour Front Bench was saying it is a great deal and older labour heads saying it was and older labour heads saying it was a stitch up because they will not be able to send theresa may back into the Negotiating Table if they do not like the deal they get. The shadow brexit secretary, keir starmer, this morning insisted it was all going well. It is difficult, i accept we have not got everything we wanted, but we are fighting hard to get the right concessions. There are another two years to go and we will not give up two years to go and we will not give up that battle. It is difficult, we are in opposition, but we are trying to get more scrutiny. One of the interesting things is whether this turmoil in labour ranks prompt more resignations. We know three members of the Shadow Cabinet have already resigned and there is speculation about whether moore might Walk The Plank tonight. An interview has been done with the shadow business secretary, clive lewis, who was seen asa secretary, clive lewis, who was seen as a potential replacement for Jeremy Corbyn, a credible left wing challenger. He is known to have deep reservations about theresa mays approach to brexit. We cannot show you the interview, but i have got the words. He is asked if this your last day in the Shadow Cabinet . I have got to make a decision on how i vote. Which way will you vote . I am going to make my mind up, i do not know, a lot on my plate, see what happens in the lobby today, you guys will be the first to know. Let me translate. The normal reaction of a Shadow Cabinet minister asked that question is of course i will back my leader. That is not what clive lewis is saying. From where i am sitting it seems to me he is tinkering on the edge of walking out of the Shadow Cabinet, which explains Jeremy Corbyns rather terse attitude when he was doorstep to this morning. Good morning, how nice of you to come here this morning. Goodbye. Why the clive lewis situation matters is because i suspect if he walks, that will trigger a whole new bout ofJeremy Corbyn leadership speculation. Persistent talk about how long he will go on. The important thing about clive lewis is he is not one of the usual suspects, he is not an old blairite rearguard. But increasingly he has been distancing himself from Jeremy Corbyn on issues like trident and if he was to walk, that would put rocket fuel under speculation about Jeremy Corbyns position. If he does walk, another labour Leadership Contest . Surely not. You hesitate to say what might happen. It is hard to see another contest being triggered. You would see a lot of manoeuvring and positioning. There are plenty of people on the left who are pretty unhappy aboutjeremy people on the left who are pretty unhappy about Jeremy Corbyns leadership. It is not that they dislike him distrust him, they think he is very good. Would they have a capable, ambitious, young, energetic, left wing leader in clive lewis . That might be very attractive to many figures on the left. Figures on the right might take the view better to have a capable left winger thanjeremy better to have a capable left winger than Jeremy Corbyn better to have a capable left winger thanJeremy Corbyn who just does not seem to be able to cut through with the electorate. Really interesting times. We are going to talk to somebody who is campaigning for a referendum for the netherlands to leave the eu. And Thierry Baudet who is campaigning for a referendum for netherlands to leave the eu. What do you think about britains decision . It was the best news i have heard in many years. It is something many other countries in europe will in due course try to follow, the example set by britain to break free from the European Union and to pursue a cause of freedom and sovereignty once again. I was very happy with the news on the 23rd ofjune. What impact is it having on the citizens of the netherlands . Clearly it is galvanising you to campaign for a referendum, what about the rest of the population . What we have seen in the population . What we have seen in the past month is that many people in the netherlands were saying we cannot get out any more, it is a lost cause. Now with britains setting the example we are gaining confidence again that maybe we could bea confidence again that maybe we could be a democratic, sovereign nation once again as well. It is a great example and many people have more confidence now than they used to have in the possibility of a country to reclaim its sovereignty. Another Example Britain has set, which is something our leaders have U Nfortu Nately not followed something our leaders have unfortunately not followed in the netherlands, is to listen to a referendum. We had a referendum on the 6th of april about the Association Agreement with ukraine and our leaders brushed it aside and said we will push on with it anyway. It isa said we will push on with it anyway. It is a great thing that british parliamentary democracy is still functioning to the extent we will probably see our vote in your Parliament Supporting brexit, even though the tories were not in favour of it themselves. That is a great example of democracy. You had a referendum about Something Else and the politicians ignored the answer. What if you had a referendum on leaving the eu and the majority said they wanted to leave, the politicians could ignore the answer . That is a possibility, but i am still confident that politicians cannot ignore referendum after referendum after referendum. We have had two about the european project that have been ignored, the first on the 1st of june that have been ignored, the first on the 1st ofjune in 2005 when we voted about the european constitution. It was passed through under a different name a couple of yea rs under a different name a couple of years later. Earlier this year we had a referendum about the Association Agreement with the ukraine and that was ignored. I am confident political leaders will not be able to ignore yet again another referendum. That is if you get one, but a pattern is emerging when it comes to referenda in the netherlands. Quite right, and it is remarkable. I find it netherlands. Quite right, and it is remarkable. Ifind it remarkable that the dutch press is not critical about this. They seem to accept the ignoring of the peoples votes rather easily, whereas i think it is remarkable. Still to come. The mother of back packer mia Ayluff Chung Murdered In Australia Last August will be on the programme accusing President Trump of using fake news about her daughters death by falsely claiming she was the victim of terrorist attack. And we want to hear your experiences if youve adopted a child from abroad thats after madonna returns to malawi this time to adopt twin four year old girls. Joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the news. Plans to treat more patients in the community have so far failed to save money or reduce Hospital Admissions in england, according to the governments spending watchdog. The National Audit office says ministers were over optimistic in thinking a scheme called the Better Care Fund could save half a billion pounds a year. The Supreme Court has ruled that a woman from Northern Ireland should be allowed access to her partners local government pension, following his death. Denise brewster and Lenny Mcmullen lived together for ten years. The case is seen as a test of how Pension Firms treat cohabiting couples. With us now is our correspondent chris page in belfast. Tell us how significant this . Tell us how significant this7m tell us how significant this . It is an interesting judgement handed down by the Supreme Court half an hour ago. The case by Denise Brewster from coleraine in Northern Ireland, she lived with her partner for ten yea rs. She lived with her partner for ten years. They owned their own home and got engaged in 2009, but in the early hours of boxing morning mr mcmullan died suddenly and he had been paying into a 15. Years. Mr mcmullan hadnt nominated anyone. What it came down it is discrimination, was it the case the Supreme Court considered that the rights were put above the rights of long standing Co Habiting Couples and thejudges long standing Co Habiting Couples and the judges decided that was the case and ruled in Denise Brewsters position. It is a significant judgement with many implications. Thank you very much. Mps are to vote on the brexit bill today deciding whether to give theresa may the power to leave the eu. Last night the government saw off a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put to the commons. The Prime Minister says shes committed to triggering article 50 to begin formal talks by the end of next month. A mum says compensation paid to her two young sons after they were racially discriminated against, will never make up for the distress they were put through when police were called to the school over toy guns they were given as presents. The local Education Authority has apologised for how the two boys were treated and said it was due to the school not following Council Procedures around safeguarding concerns. The boys, who were five and seven at the time, were segregated from classmates and spoken to by police after concerns were raised by teachers that they could in fact be real guns. The mother says her sons have suffered lasting damage. The governments plans to double Free Childcare for Pre Schoolers has been thrown into doubt, with most councils saying they are unsure if they can manage the scheme. From september, three and four year olds in england will be entitled to 30 free hours of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has found that more than half say they dont know if they have enough places to offer. Thats summary news. Join me for bbc Newsroom Live at 11am. Sport with will. Le i ceste rs leicesters owner is flying over from thailand for the game. Football Association Chairman greg clarke says he will quit if the organisation cant win Government Support for its reform plans. A motion of no confidence in the fa will be debated in the House Of Commons tomorrow after five former fa executives said that the Governing Body failed to self reform. Germanys world cup winning captain is to retire. He will leave Bayern Munich a year before his contract expires. And Alastair Cook says joe root would do a very good job if he is appointed as his successor as englands test captain. Root is the favourite. Cook stepped down on monday and said it is very sad to walk away. I will have more sport for you throughout the day on the bbc news channel. Hopefully you will be wearing a suit by then because i know you change which is interesting to me. No more than that plans to offer 30 hours of Free Childcare to three and four year olds in england could lead to a shortage of nursery places, according to a new study. The 15 hours per week children currently receive in term time is set to double from september. The Department For Education says quality, affordable childcare is central to its agenda. Joining me now is meganjarvie from the family and childcare trust. We asked all councils what they thought the impact would be and they raised an uncertain picture of what will happen. Only a third were confident that they would have enough places. A third werent sure about the quality of the places were reduced and 34 thought the Financial Sustainability of some settings could be impacted. What does the last bit mean . In the long term some Childcare Providers mightfind it long term some Childcare Providers might find it hard to balance their books and could go out of business if they dont fin a way of doing that. 0k. If they dont fin a way of doing that. Ok. How is it supposed to work . Youve got a three year old, you go, oh my gosh, ive got 30 hours of Free Childcare, i will get my child into the nursery up the road. You say sorry, demand outstrips the number of staff weve got. Is that what youre saying councils are telling you . What councils are telling you . What councils are telling you . What councils are doing is working with all Childcare Providers so thats Council Run Ones and private ones. And they will pay any provider to provide the additional hours. Some Childcare Providers are doing it and will have plenty of places and others are struggling and saying more us, it doesnt make sense and they wont be offering the 30 hours. Because the government arent paying them enough money to provide the free places . Why does it not make sense . A range of reasons. Some are saying, yes, actually we get more money by charging parents, it doesnt match our costs to what the government are paying us. For others, it will be above what they are charging parents and it will work. It is a varied picture and thats why it is really important for local authorities to be working with Childcare Providers and why they are the experts. Thats why we asked them about what they thought the impact would be. So they raised the impact would be. So they raised the concerns about what is going to happen and what is concerning is what could happen for disadvantaged kids. Children where their parents arent working enough hours to get a 30 hour childcare place will be entitled to 15 hours. And we know those places are really important to boost kids attainment and narrow the gap between disadvantaged kids and their peers, but councils are saying they could be put at risk. Half didnt know if the availability would be affected by the roll out of 30 hours. Ok, so there is a lot of unknowns. What do we did . Wait until september and see happens . The government are piloting this in some areas. We want them to monitor those pilot areas. Well, they will be. As well as the full roll out, but to look at what is happening for disadvantaged children and whats happening for the quality of care, not just are there happening for the quality of care, notjust are there enough places available, but looking at the wider market and ma what does it mean for kids and families. How do you define Quality Childcare in a nursery . A range of different things. We asked parents about how do you define quality and they say you know when you walk in there, are the kids happy . Are the staff good . There is things around staff qualifications are important, what the setting is like, how long staff stay there, what are the ratios of staff to children . It is a nuanced picture and ofsted measure it and there is and ofsted measure it and there is and a range of ways. We need to keep measuring what the quality is like and if thats going up or down as the policy rolls out. The mother of a backpacker, who was stabbed to death in australia, has criticised donald trump for calling it a terror attack. 20 year old Mia Ayliffe Chung from wirksworth was killed in a hostel last year along with a friend, tom jackson. The Trump Administration included their deaths on a list of alleged terror attacks executed or inspired by so callsed islamic state. They released the list to back up the president s claim that the media was under reporting incidents. Rosie ayliffe, mias mother, has now written an open letter to President Trump, saying Australian Police ruled out a terror attack. We can talk to rosie now. Thank you very much for talking to us. When you realised that your daughters death was on this list, how did you react . Well, i was puzzled, i suppose because this had been ruled out very early in the investigation by the police in queensland in collaboration with the french police. They worked together and they examined the case forensically and they came up with a conclusion that there was no link. So it seemed to me that white house officials should be able to do their research. And that has prompted you to write this open letter. Why . and that has prompted you to write this open letter. Why . I suppose i wa nted this open letter. Why . I suppose i wanted to put the record straight from the beginning it had been my concern that this shouldnt be reported in this way by the media. There were people in australia who tried to make the same political point regarding immigration there andi point regarding immigration there and ijust point regarding immigration there and i just dont point regarding immigration there and ijust dont think its fair that mias death should be used in that mias death should be used in that way. In terms of writing to donald trump, what have you said in that open letter . Ive basically said that my experience as a travel writer have taken me to muslim countries and i found writer have taken me to muslim countries and ifound nothing but hospitality, love, respect for others. My own personal experiences have always been good in muslim countries and for that reason mia travelled herself abroad in muslim countries and she was also treated extremely well by friends of mine and by people we didnt know. She was welcomed with open arms as was i. Ifeel was welcomed with open arms as was i. I feel that there was welcomed with open arms as was i. Ifeel that there is was welcomed with open arms as was i. I feel that there is a demonisation of travellers and of immigrants and Migrant Workers and actually i think although it is complicated the 88 days in australia means that young people are discriminated against and exploited over there and mia was part of that. Yes, there was a connection and trump made that connection, he made a connection between mia and the muslim immigrants who are waiting at airports around america, but its not the connection he wanted to make. What do you want from him . Trump . I would like to see him abdicate as president , but thats not going to happen. So i dont know. I think, not going to happen. So i dont know. Ithink, i dont. Not going to happen. So i dont know. Ithink, idont. I not going to happen. So i dont know. Ithink, i dont. Isuppose, an admission of error would be good. Yes. Thank you very much for talking to us, rosie. Thank you for your time. Thank you. A fierce critic of the russian president Vladimir Putin has been rushed to hospital with organ failure, two years after he nearly died from suspected poisoning. Vladimir kara murza, an opposition activist, has been diagnosed with acute intoxication by an unidentified substance. His wife has told bbc news that she thinks hes been poisoned again like fellow activist Alexander Litvinenko more than ten years ago. He said that he felt his heart rate was very accelerated, and he had trouble breathing. And then he was brought to the hospital, and a few hours after that, his organs began shutting down again, just like last time. Their official diagnosis is an acute intoxication by an unidentified substance. What does that mean, as far as you understand it . Poisoning. This is poisoning. You mean a deliberate poisoning . Well, it seems like it is, because there are no other options left. Weve checked everything. We sent some samples to israel and france, and to have his hair, blood and nails tested again. And we are hoping to find some answers. His activity irritates many people. It would be very hard to suggest who exactly would be behind this, but we know that the situation in russia is such nowadays that opposition leaders can be shot in front of the kremlin, can be poisoned, can be thrown injail. Anything can happen to people who choose to stand up to putin. I was terrified, of course. I was, and ive always been. Even before he was poisoned for the first time, i was, because i knew what he was doing, what exactly his activity consisted in. But he truly, deeply believes in what he does. He believes that he can make a change. He believes that by staying firm, by sticking to your principles, you can win. You can get what youre fighting for. Thanked you for all your comments on our story about a mother whose two sons were interviewed by police after one of them told the teacher that they had a new toy gun at home. So sad when children are no longer able to be children. Greg says, i would remove my child from that school. That is what the mother did. She also told us her children are still trying to get over the deal. We are trying to help them move on. It will not assist them move on. It will not assist them right now for them to know about the case and the publicity. We are trying as best we can as a family to move them on from this, but they are negative effects. From a day to day basis the boys both suffer nightmares, my youngster in particular who is only five, gets scared he will be taken away from his siblings. He wakes up in the night, he never did before, this incident has traumatised him. My eldest boy, the evening it happened, he was extremely traumatised. In fa ct, he was extremely traumatised. In fact, when we got home he had what i can only describe as an emotional meltdown, half an hour of crying and being upset and he threw himself at me and he said he thought the police we re me and he said he thought the police were going to take him away. That was upsetting for him and us. He has quite serious issues with trusting his new school and his new teachers, which is not fair on them or us. You put them somewhere new . Yes, i moved them straightaway. Why do you believe the headteacher, who was the schools lead when it comes to safeguarding, widely believed they called the police . It is fear. It did not escape my attention that this happened, the date of the disclosure, was on the day of the belgian bombings, and people are scared, people are terrified. Teachers have this duty to look out at children and look for signs of radicalisation and extremism. I know the teachers involved all had some very paltry prevented training. But for that training they would not have been looking for this sort of aspect. One of the things the teacher said to me was that she had noticed a change in behaviour in my eldest son. He had been speaking arabic in class and talking about going to friday prayers with his dad. We are not muslim and my child has never set foot in a mosque and certainly does not speak arabic. From that Point Of View the school was ignorant. But even if there were, they should not have been this sort of suspicion raised about small children. It does not help them or assist them, it is not about their welfare. They are looking at small children as if they were grown ups and criminalising them. Would this have happened if they had been white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so sure white . No, absolutely not. The reason i can be so sure is toy guns are prolific in our society, whether you believe in them or not. Children will fashion toy guns out of pieces of toast, my boys did. These were the first toy guns i had ever bought them because they take up sticks in them because they take up sticks in the garden, all boys do it. I know that children in his class, who were white, had huge amounts of toy guns. I also know there are parties which involve what they call nerve gun battles. Those things must have come up, the teacher must have had to hand out invites for parties. Those children have never been referred under prevent or had the police called. A child talked about a gift, talks about a girl as a gift, teacher absorbs that information. They cannot be concerned because they do not mention anything until 24 hours later at which point the headteacher called the police. He does not have a chat with the child, but called the police. So it is racism . I think it was Racial Discrimination. Racism is a difficult time because people will shy away from saying something is racist. Everybody has a certain degree of racism, teachers, policemen, everyone in the front line, but it is knowing how to acknowledge it and deal with it. Instead of acknowledging they had these thoughts because my children we re these thoughts because my children were not white, the teachers put two and two together and made six. The local council have apologised and given new compensation. This was due to the school not following Council Procedures around safeguarding concerns. We accept the boys were discriminated against. Schools are encouraged to deal with incidents at a local level, meaning only the most serious are escalated. a local level, meaning only the most serious are escalated. I have read the local Authority Guidance, and one of the things it says is if the school is not sure they should bring 101, which is what the school did. It is not fair on the school to put the blame squarely on them. You can see the full interview on our programme page. We talked to the maam anonymously so we did not identify her children. Madonna has been granted permission to adopt two more children from malawi. The singer, who had previously denied she was visiting the country with a view to adopting more children, was given permission by the Malawian High Court on tuesday to adopt the four year old twin girls called stella and esther. In the studio is Francesca Polini who adopted two babies from mexico, and from malawi we can speak to charlie mccaulder, director of open arms malawi, a charity that helps orphaned and abandoned children by supplying them with the medical attention, shelter, food and family they need. And our reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here as well. Madonna is coming underfurther criticism for these latest adoptions. Indy, the government states you cannot adopt out of the country and there is a ban and people have accused madonna of using her celebrity to overthrow the law. She has already got two children, david and mercy, and she has a charity in malawi raising money. But it has gone ahead, that is happening, and she now has six children. Its children, two that she conceived herself, as well as four from malawi. Francesca, welcome. I think your experience will be different from donnas. You adopted babies from mexico. What was the motivation . We wanted to adopt domestically, so i think you should try domestically first, it is not about picking up country. We were turned down from the uk because at the time the borough where we lived had a cap on the number of couples who could adopt white children. Paradoxically we were approved to adopt racially different children, but from a different country, but that was the initial motivation. What do you think of madonna adopting two children from malawi . We adopted once and went back to adopt again, so i can see why she has done it. Saying that, i cannot help thinking that there is something slightly wrong with circumnavigating the system when there is a system and it is therefore a reason. Particularly when children are older and they are integrated in their communities and societies and language etc. I can see why the ban is there because it isa see why the ban is there because it is a lot better for children to remain in their countries. Charlie, you are from a charity. Do you think madonna has circumvented the system . Lam not madonna has circumvented the system . I am not sure. I would not want to be drawn into this particular case. 0k, be drawn into this particular case. Ok, i have heard that there are rumours about how long you need to be in malawi before you can adopt. She has got connections in malawi, so she has got connections in malawi, soido she has got connections in malawi, so i do not know whether it is fair. Lam not so i do not know whether it is fair. I am not even sure i have a view. We are playing a different ball game. We are running a charity where we provide care from birth and the government has a policy in malawi of reintegrating. When a child reaches two, and they can walk, talk and eat solid food, it if they are fit and healthy, we work with the government to try and reintegrate that child. The child will be reintegrated normally into the family and very often into the village where the childs parents may have come from. Not all the children are orphans. Some may be from backgrounds were possibly a parent has a Mental Health problem or Something Like that. That is what we do and we have got 106 children at the moment. It does not take a social worker to look at arguments for and against an international adoption. You can say it is an opportunity for a child who might go to a high income economy and leave malawi with its overstretched resources. There are arguments against. If a large number of children were to go, it is against malawis interests. Also children can becomes separated from their extended families and communities. It is possible to have implications for their identities when they get older. implications for their identities when they get older. I say possible. I say how do you address those issues . They are very proud of being mexican. Their childminder for a few years was speaking spanish to them. Their godparents are the lawyers we used for the adoption so we have ke pt used for the adoption so we have kept close connections to all of the friends we made when we lived there and we try and keep mexico alive in our lifestyle without pushing it too much. You can isolate them as well, but it is important they grow up thinking about it. We have been back only once because we adopted 19 years ago and then another three years ago and then another three years later. We went back to them and they saw where they were from an ms people from the institute where they were adopted from and we keep that very much alive and that is really important for children. For mine it is easier because they were five weeks old and two weeks old, so they did not grow up in that culture, but it is important for their identity. Very briefly, the cost and the bureaucracy in a few seconds . The cost, how long is a piece of string . It is more the cost of physically being there for a few months. It is insane. It is brief enough thank you for your company, we are back tomorrow. Good morning, it felt pretty chilly at there this morning, but through the week and into the weekend with a good deal of cloud around and a freshening easterly wind it will be feeling a good deal colder and there will be wintry showers as well. Most of the snow today is in the grampians. A good deal of cloud, but brighter skies in north west scotla nd brighter skies in north west scotland and Northern Ireland. Also for west wales and the south west of england. That is where we will get the best temperatures. Further east it is colder than yesterday. A good deal of cloud overnight tonight and a few more of these wintry showers around. Even under the cloud temperatures will not be far away from freezing and there may be some icy patches around as well. We keep the cloudy skies through the rest of the cloudy skies through the rest of the week, there will be wintry flurries around and it will feel colder. This is bbc news. Im ben brown, live at westminster, where mps are about to vote on allowing the Prime Minister to trigger the process of leaving the eu. One of the amendments up for debate is whether hundreds of thousands of eu citizens should be allowed to stay here after brexit. Were fighting hard to try and get the right concessions. Theres another two years to go and were not going to give up that battle. We will bring you the very latest from westminster including the splits within the conservative and labour parties. Im Joanna Gosling with the rest of todays news. President trump fights to reinstate his travel ban on seven mostly muslim countries. Donald trumps lawyers say the ban could stop terrorists from al shabab getting into the United States