outdoor smoking in return for permission to serve pavement drinks. the mirror leads on a plea from footballerjack charlton's grieving brother tommy, who says the england world cup legend should be knighted. and the times writes that the government is to launch a campaign warning britons about higher costs when travelling abroad from january 1. right, lucianne john, hello right, luciannejohn, hello again. john, let's begin with the metraux. clear up the mask muddle. is this soft cop, hard cop routine? or is there a genuine uncertainty in downing street about which way they should go on this issue? yes, there is an ambiguity, and they can't put out different messages simultaneously, and they ought to have a single simple message. although the reason michael gove isn't wearing a mask in that is because he is outside, and nobody thinks that wearing a mask outside is advisable. but the question is whether it should be compulsory to wear a mask whether it should be compulsory to weara mask in whether it should be compulsory to wear a mask in shops. and i would have thought, i mean, a simple reading of the government cosmic guidance, that if you can't maintain a two metres of distance indoors, you ought to wear a mask, and i don't think you can maintain a two metre distance in most shops, and therefore, people ought to wear masks and shops according to the government, and they need to make it compulsory because otherwise people won't do it. lucy, scotland has already done this, it is mandatory in scotland. i was talking to a doctor earlier who is a behavioural psychologist and she said it is fine you can legislate, but it would be, in her view, more sensible to have some kind of public information campaign first, perhaps lead rather than politicians, to explain the reason that it is not something just positioned on people, there is a logic behind it, and to explain why we are suggesting it now when we weren't suggesting it before. what do you make of that?” weren't suggesting it before. what do you make of that? i think she is right about public messaging but i would be surprised if there were people in the country who didn't know that actually this appears to bea know that actually this appears to be a virus borne disease and droplets and aerosol spray from your mouth are all components in transmission of the disease, and therefore, wearing a mask is a very sensible precaution, and we have seenin sensible precaution, and we have seen in countries in asia that were affected in particular by size a decade ago, they have much stricter adherence to wearing masks —— this program is live captioned by red bee media. it isn'tjust about trotting out a few celebrities —— sars. what you need is some real top down messaging that is very clear, very unequivocal, but also, enforcement so you can't... it isn't good enough to wear it on the tube than to notice of the other people are not wearing it. you need to feel people not breaking the rules are going to be picked up on it, but also some sense of not shaming so much, but this idea that if we notice that our neighbours are not doing it, perhaps we could cajole them into doing it. actually, it is for all of our good, all of our benefit that we are meant to be changing our behaviour in such a way, and it is such a simple thing. you don't have to take a test, you don't have to become skilled at wearing it. it is a simple piece of fabric. we have to be much less self—conscious about wearing it. would you make, are you pleased to see the photograph on the front of the telegraph tomorrow morning of donald trump masked up? yes, it would have been great if it was three months ago and it is always very difficult when he comes out and says things like, i was never against masks, because that is so transparently not true. but it needs to be big figures. this photo on the front page of the ft, bollywood royalty, he is currently in a hospital in mumbai are suffering from covid symptoms, you do need really visible people to be seen wearing masks, because if they are going to be giving this message to all of us, you want to feel that it is notjust going to be one rule for the rest of us and a different rule for the elite. so it is helpful to see boris wearing a mask in a shop for the first time, and donald trump, but ultimately, it has to be something that everybodyjust does i'iow something that everybodyjust does now is a matter of course until we can really get on top of this virus, we have to do this for the good of everybody else. you are doing it for your own protection, but also to protect other people. and in a sense, about it being good manners because you are doing it by the people, but let's pick up on the sta kes people, but let's pick up on the stakes thing. he is wearing this mask, we had a surge of cases, florida reporting more than 15,000 saturday into sunday in one day. we have a little story on the front of the telegraph saying immunity may be last a few months after infections, so last a few months after infections, so the people who have it, they think they are protected, they may not be impregnable. and also on the front of the telegraph, there is a lot on the telegraph monday morning, matt hancock, the self —— health secretary, there are more than 100 outbreaks of coronavirus happening each week, even as we see figures dropping. all of which feeds into the big question, which is going to bea the big question, which is going to be a second wave of this virus? in europe, we have experienced a wave in most european countries, which has come right down now. no more people are dying in britain than you would expect at this time of year. and yet, there are all these premonitions that it could get out of control again. if people don't have immunity, beyond a few months, then that is not looking good for then that is not looking good for the winter when obviously you have got flu circulating as well. all a bit worrying, and the uptick... i mean, there has obviously been a big increase in cases in the us, but the deaths from covid have started to go up deaths from covid have started to go up now deaths from covid have started to go up now as deaths from covid have started to go up now as well. from a fairly low level, but it is all rather ominous. let's look at some of the news. the front of the telegraph again, lucy, the paper that keeps on giving, migration crackdown to bar eu criminals. this is yet another iteration of the government's determination to change the immigration system in various ways. what do you make of this story? well, i think the conservative party stood on a manifesto that wanted to make changes to immigration and really central part of their new government, and so this is arguably them delivering on the manifesto promises. the elements of this are notjust promises. the elements of this are not just about backing promises. the elements of this are notjust about backing down on criminals, but also about introducing a points —based immigration system, so it isn't enough to be a low skilled migrant. actually what the immigration policy will require is for you to have various points so that you can be more of a skilled migrant, and i think with unemployment looming in the uk because of lockdown and covid, that is going to be a welcome news to people who are british and would like to get a job knowing that companies are almost going to be forced to look to the british employment market rather than overseas. the issue with criminals is interesting because it isn'tjust about saying people who have got a criminal record. there is some sense in which it is about people are perhaps undesirable, and hate preachers are referenced, and i am sure most people would argue that thatis sure most people would argue that that is a good thing, but where does the government specifically draw the line in people being undesirable in terms of what they think and what they say? because that might impact ona simple they say? because that might impact on a simple freedom of speech issue. john, what you make of this? as lucy quite rightly says, there is quite a lot in what the government is planning to change. one of the things priti patel mentioned was the labour test basically sent an employer wants to bring in somebody from abroad, a highly skilled person, they have two advertise a job for 28 days first. we can get rid of that, we don't have eu workers having an automatic right to workers having an automatic right to work here. it is a big package potentially. it is, although it is quite hard to make out how different it is going to be from the status quo, to be honest. i am not an expert on immigration law, but i think we already have the power to stop foreign criminals coming into this country. priti patel has announced further relaxation in some of the visa requirements. they are actually made to allow care workers to come on the same basis as nhs staff, which is a very welcome move, but it does mean that our post brexit immigration rules are going to look very similar to our probe brexit immigration. let's talk about the front of the independent tomorrow morning. this is a very interesting story. we will brush over the picture of the dejected indian —— england team after their defeat over wendy's. this story of generalist operating in the united states and your paper particularly. my states and your paper particularly. my colleague who is our newest correspondence was arrested while he was covering the protest in seattle, the black lives matter protests, which had been going on for quite a long time, and he was actually shackled, assaulted and treated extremely badly despite explaining that he was a journalist and that he was there to cover the protests. he was there to cover the protests. he was actually charged with failing to disperse, which is a new crime on me. but our uk ambassador has done herjob and has lodged an official complaint with the american government. it is important to see what happens because he does potentially face a year in jail and a fine. lucy, what do you make of it? you are talking a moment ago about freedom of expression. analysts a re often about freedom of expression. analysts are often in the front line. we had the foreign office campaign last year about journalistic freedom around the world. the united states, we have usually thought of as a country where analyst could operate freely. yes, apart from the fact that there was a yes, apart from the fact that there wasa cnn yes, apart from the fact that there was a cnn reporter who was arrested live on air only a couple of weeks ago when he was filming from minneapolis, but actually this is quite a worrying trend. i am glad it is on the front page of the independent because it is a little known fact that analysts, you see them on the television, you read them on the television, you read them in the papers and you imagine they are allowed to go about their business unfettered, but they are clearly not. given john's colleague and also the reporter from the cnn we re and also the reporter from the cnn were both reporting for black lives matter protests, it does speak of a worrying involvement of either the police or politics to actually try to stop these messages being heard. let's talk about the front of the times. this is a warning that the government is issuing about holidays getting a bit more expensive. they will get more offensive anyway next year because of all the other events that have happened this year, and this is particularly the government warning us about what will happen once our transition period out of the eu and is at the end of this year when we start travelling in europe on things like holiday tours and so on. yes, i think we will see this over the next six months as we reach that deadline, that we will get more information on more opportunity to remind ourselves about how life will be different, and part of that particular if you will be travelling overseas, are going to be things like changes to roaming charges, what validity you have left on your passport, you would need to do about your pet. so just little bits of information that perhaps many of us have not had to think about for the last 30 or 40 years in terms of travel. suddenly, even a quick trip across the channel to france is going to be different, and there is going to be a big marketing campaign to give us lots of information. you are absolutely right. in terms of insurance going up, that would have happened robbie a nyway up, that would have happened robbie anyway because of the pandemic globally —— probably. but what we need to recognise is we need access to free treatment in the eu and that is no longer going to be possible. john, what do you make of it? will it put you off heading to the continent next year? it is a bit different. this is michael gove, the government minister, running a rather different campaign. if you run this campaign... your insurance is going to be higher, you have roaming charges and businesses are going to registerfor roaming charges and businesses are going to register for this whatever it is called, eu economic operators registration and identification number stop if you put all that on the side of a bus, i am not sure... this is a new campaign called, and this is extraordinary, the uk's newsta rt let's get this is extraordinary, the uk's newstart let's get going. i mean, what on earth is that? with all that up what on earth is that? with all that up with two let's get