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Was buried. That is still the case for all these families so this man, this monster who are on a number of occasions took the police on a wild goose chase on the moors discovered nothing, and families had no pleasure whatsoever. This will not be closure for them if they do not know where these bodies were buried. What do we do . How do we react to this . We react appropriately, we do not eulogise him, we reflect on his heinous crimes and bats try and move forward. You covered the trial. we nt forward. You covered the trial. went asa forward. You covered the trial. went as a journalist of forward. You covered the trial. |j went as a journalist of the north we st went as a journalist of the north westjust after the went as a journalist of the north west just after the trial. Which went as a journalist of the north westjust after the trial. Which is inked on the memories of so many people. From madeira, from that era. Ithen people. From madeira, from that era. I then covered it and interviewed Keith Bennett s mother, who you mentioned. It is hard to convey to people the awfulness of the feelings that everybody had at that time. The impact on hardened police officers, let alone the jury who heard those awful things at that trial. Let alone journalists, as well, hardened journalists who had never heard things as awful as they heard in that courtroom. The people you feel sorry for though, are of course the relatives who will never, now, presumably, no. Ialways think, the only thing that is never quite clear, is whether hindley and brady did actually know where specifically where, the bodies were buried. But, if they did, it was even more horrendous. For most people, it is impossible to understand the level of evil, and the word monster is frankly the right one. |j of evil, and the word monster is frankly the right one. I think we have an image of the front page of the times. Sorry, we already showed that in the intro. Just showing a picture there. Ian brady, who has died. We are going to move on now actually to the financial times. The hacking story, cyber attack, actually to the financial times. The hacking story, cyberattack, hackers have second us weapon primed for attack, according to analysts. Everyone expected a spike on the weekend following fridays attack but that did not happen. Do you know, my worry is that we are being let down by government, be they british governments, certainly questions have to be asked on the american government. And indeed of the russians in all this. If the extents of hacking is what it appears to be, of course, it is horrendous what has been going on to the nhs and elements of the nhs. People with heart problems, stroke victims, have had to be moved elsewhere this very weekend. This is the extent of it. Is it. I mean, i have occasionally been sympathetic tojeremy have occasionally been sympathetic to jeremy hunt have occasionally been sympathetic Tojeremy Hunt in this studio in the past, but the problem he has got is this has happened on his watch. He will now have to answer on behalf of the Health Service for what has been going on. It does seem bizarre, we all get the messages on our computer saying you need to update your software. Download this and it will happen overnight. Stuff is left not quite working when you get at the next day, but you work through it and get it sorted. Its hard to believe that is all a lot of these trusts had to do to stop this . Its incredible. But then we have just been through the winter crisis. We probably have a lot of people in hospitals with other priorities. I know amber rudd was saying over the weekend, we told just to do this and weekend, we told just to do this and we set money aside. It comes against a backdrop of catastrophic it failures by nhs. 0nly A Backdrop of catastrophic it failures by nhs. Only a few years ago they scrapped that scheme to digitise everything that cost the taxpayer £10 billion. It seems that anything they touch with regards to it turns to rot. Equally i think people are quite sympathetic with the actual front line staff that had to deal with this, and also probably people look at their own behaviour with their own Cyber Security reflect that actually will probably not all as digital gent as we could be. But we run nhs trusts. Not as diligent as we could be. Some of these trusts apparently, i was talking to a cyber expert tonight, they have been encouraged to update their systems for several years also have refused to do so because they are used to the system may have and it works for them. This is the point. If governments are not telling the these trusts the risks that they are running. Let me declare an interest right away. I have had my E Mail Account hacked in re ce nt have had my E Mail Account hacked in recent weeks. I have discovered e mails have been sent to certain of my contacts, and friends, asking invoices which appeared to come from my E Mail Accounts and which when you actually look closely, come from poland and malaysia for example. The truth of the matter is, i should be changing my passwords and all the Re St Of Changing my passwords and all the rest of it, much more regularly than lam, rest of it, much more regularly than iam,| rest of it, much more regularly than i am, i assume. We all should be. Then somebody has to tell us this. Tell us its deadly serious, chaps. Also why isnt this system is standardised across all systems . We talk about 500 different types of surgery talk about 500 different types of surgery gloves. Why are some places using windows xp, and i heard elsewhere, lotus notes . Thats a Messaging Service that is 20 years old. You stick with what you know. This is originating in the American Security operation, and that is a huge scandal. There is a bloke called trump who should be concentrating perhaps a bit more on that. He has issues on his plate, dont worry about that. Camilla, the i. Tax grabs on the rich. The Labour Ma Nifesto i. Tax grabs on the rich. The Labour Manifesto Out tomorrow, they have got to cost all this stuff . We are living in some sort of groundhog day. We heard all this last week when the manifesto was weak. Going back over it. But occur when the ma nifesto back over it. But occur when the manifesto was leaked. Corbin saying anyone who owns over 80 grand in taxed. He has made all these pledges. He wants to scrapjewish and fees, money back into the nhs. Everyone is vitally asking how to fund this. He wants to scrap tuition fees. Well, most people will not be taxed, according to him. Lets be fair. I am making this assumption based on the part of the ma Nifesto Assumption based on the part of the manifesto that was not leaked were the costings. We await with baited breath. There was the assumption they had made at least 12 pledges on they had made at least 12 pledges on the back basis of the corporation pledged tax. These things have to add up. An 80 billion price tag on norman smith. That has to come from somewhere and i would assume peoples pockets in order to generate this revenue, borrowing admittedly, but also there must be tax hikes as the telegraph has suggested. The top 596 of earners, big business, they can afford all that. This is what labour is saying. Surely you are able to make that argument. The problem is, because the gap between rich and poor in our country under tory, under labour administrations, has hopelessly gotten wider. Having said that, there is unfortunately a real problem with the leader of the labour party. And you can talk to candidates of any colour on the doorstep, and if it is impossible for so many people to see the prime ministerial candidate of the labour party ever walking into number ten downing st and Kissing Hands with the queen and all that sort of thing, then whatever you propose. Biggest party in europe . 4 million members . Thats right, you can do that, you can appeal, but you can only win an election from a broad spectrum. If you cannot attract that broad spectrum, because your leader is not seen as a True Potential prime minister, you have a problem. Front page of the daily telegraph, we will end on this. Labour plan to pull1 million into top tax bracket. This is their spin, we know the telegraph s political leaning. Is this the achilles heel in a lot of these policies . 10,000 extra cost to copies on the beat. More money for the nhs. A lot of people agree with that. But the tax issue could be the thing that a lot of people say, you know what, i dont earn 80,000 but i wa nt know what, i dont earn 80,000 but i want to, i dont want to be trapped. If its eu as anti aspirational batsman thing, i think the Corporation Taxes damning than this personal tax. Purely on the basis that people understand the Wealth Creation and supporting businesses as we going to brexit is crucial. Even the institute of fixed School Studies of the nation of increasing Corporation Tax at this time, when we are going through his negotiation under going to have to be firing on all Business Cylinders is silly. Equally i think voters are sadly now and they still have echoes of gordon brown flogging gold at the wrong price, and there is no money left. He didnt know the price is going to fall when he did so regardless, thats how the voters think. They look at labour and think spend, spend. The look that ed balls in the economy. I dont agree at all. I come back to the point they made, the conservatives, yes the conservative press are successfully creating this as theresa may or corbin. Its going ahead and people do not see jeremy corbyn. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the tax rates, etc, by the way, some of us remember 1992 when woodward talking about, was it £22,000 labour was going to have a higher tax rate . Now its 80. Not many people on that. We will have to leave it there. Thanks for that. Thanks for looking at the stories. And to you for watching. I buy. Most m ost pla ces most places saw rain at some stage today. It brightened up at the end of the day in Northern Ireland but this is what it looked like in the morning, along with that cloud there was some rain around. The wettest place in Northern Ireland was melos, with nearly 30 millimetres of rain. Well over an inch. Three in dumfries and galloway, barely any though in South East England. That could well change the end of wednesday. Low pressure in control of our weather now, whether fans renal what pressure in control of our weather now, whetherfans renal what wayne overnight, particularly across parts of southern scotland, north west england, and wales. There will be some heavy bursts here, elsewhere there are plenty of crowd around, some passing showers. It is a mild, muqqy some passing showers. It is a mild, muggy night with temperatures are not falling much lower than the teens. It will be the hills. In eight in the morning, mainly dry for Northern Ireland and scotland, but we have trained not too far away. That will push on through from west to east with sunny skies following by the end of the day. Summer weather in north west england, across wales, to begin the day. Some heavy bursts here, rain overnight, standing water and spray on the roads. South west england, to some patchy rain, a few showers into the midlands, east anglia and south east sing them will be dry, there will be sunny spells around here and on and off throughout the day. For scotland and Northern Ireland, another spell of ray wilton sully the northern afternoon. It will feel fresher by them. Take this band of rain gradually further south across england and wales, but not reaching east anglia and South East England. Sunny spells, two bridges in the low 20s. Anywhere east, given any sunshine at the stage of the day, could see 19 or 20 degrees. Into tuesday evening, noticed this Weather Front hanging around. The midlands and south west england, a Chilly Night In Scotland and Northern Ireland. Clear skies. Sunshine, scattered showers on wednesday. This Weather System expands across much of england and wales during wednesday. Some of this rain could be quite heavy. Particularly as it pushes through South East England and east anglia on wednesday evening. Heavy and thundery rain here, that could be actually torrential. Keep you updated on that, i sure whether by the end of the week for all of us. A mixture of sunshine and scattered heavy showers. This is bbc news. The headlines at 11 00 Moors Murderer ian brady, who killed five children and teenagers in the 1960s with his partner myra hindley, has died aged 79. The cabinets Emergency Committee has met over the global cyber attack which affected the nhs. Routine surgery and gp appointments have been cancelled in some areas. Good evening and welcome to bbc news. In the last hour its been confirmed that the Moors Murderer,

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