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the public bloodstream all over the world. - china cannot do that, - because its media outlets are too top—down, too turgid and too propagandistic, - other than xinhua. yuan, what is your analysis of how china and russia's approaches compare? i think china's quite a way behind russia. as other guests have said, when it comes to disinformation. that is because of the difference, i would argue, between state propaganda, on the one hand, which the chinese state media machine is set up to do, and disinformation, where state propaganda is where you have the platform, you have the whole stage, you have the microphone, you are telling everyone through loudspeakers what you want people to believe and all you can do, all you need to do is repeat that many times. disinformation is a bit harder in some ways, because you need to enter into a pre—existing conversation. so, in the case that joshua is giving, you need

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