Of bon iver. And so, i think a tier of perhaps adult listeners who hadnt paid attention to her before suddenly woke up to her and realised that, you know, this is a smart songwriter, not somebody they might previously have written offjust as a sort of superficial pop star. And i think the combination of that and the stratospheric economic impact of the Eras Tour has made people realise, like, this is, you know, a very serious artist and businesswoman. You know, i read a stat that said that the gdp from the Eras Tour sorry, the profits from the Eras Tour alone would make her the 36th smallest nation in the world on that alone in terms of gdp. So, theres 35 countries in the world that are not making as much as the Eras Tour has. And you are rare because you have actually had an interview with Taylor Swift. Shes a difficult person to pin down for an interview. Ive been Culture Editor for quite a few years now at the Bbc News and certainly havent had an interview with Taylor Swift as yet. What was that like . I think you went to her, well, apartment in nashville, was it . Yes, i did, yeah. So, it took about a year of meetings to make it happen
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