it is constructed and in the cost of living crisis, a lot of people would look at that and say why those figures not going the other way around. have you demanded guarantees from the government they don't pay for this by cutting money from other bits from the nhs so the sums add up for them? that was clear in the negotiations, there was no intention to cut health services in order to pay for this. someone in government or saying to me, we won't cut front line services. but it seems to me that is a fuzzy concept as to what that is? exactly, the devil will be in the detail. you were talking about the stamina required on all sides for the longevity of these negotiations, what was the latest at night you ended up working until, in the room or digitally in the room negotiating with the government? the talks were constructed with a range of different types of sessions.