but it's not exclusive to voters in the red wall. conservative voters all over the country care quite strongly about it. i suppose, in that context, because we were talking to robert about the rwanda plan, it's whether the government, in pursuing the rwanda plan and then the conversation that's going on within the conservative party about how you make it work and what kind of flavour of the rwanda plan you should have, is whether kind of pursuing it and trying to make it work addresses the concerns of those 2019 conservative voters, or rather highlights the kind of failure to deal with the problem as they would see it around the whole question of illegal migration. yeah, i mean, ithought_ robert jenrick actually made some pretty compelling arguments. if you take this issue kind of almost in the abstract i and just say, you know, - some of the lines he came out with were challenging, you know, you can't be squeamish _ about this issue. it matters to people. countries that take a tough line make an impact. - the trouble is dealing. with the here and now,
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