..but you've kept very closely in touch. what do you think the lessons are of covid, particularly when it comes to balancing out the interests of different demographic groups within our society? the young and the old? this is a huge, huge problem. i mean, the fact of the matter is covid was mainly a lethal illness in people in their 80s. something like 85%. now, none of us could live in a society where we say, "over 85? go away and die." and that great barrington declaration, saying the lockdown was a bad mistake, it was completely unrealistic and wrong. but the problem is, of course, in the modern world, more and more people are living into old age and the greater part of all our lifetime health expenses are towards the end of life. and i mean, endless stories of elderly parents of friends of mine — just had one last week — where they get ludicrously over—treated in the hospital. but it's terribly difficult. but is it going to...? you know, that reality which you've just accounted for, is it going to ultimately
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