yes. let's call it normal. we know that we are... we have bum holes. we have that. everybody has that. and everything is taboo because of religion. but do you think...? because of religion. it's only because of the wicked romans. if not, we'd be fine. yeah, but let's leave the romans aside. i'm just really interested in the journey you two have made over 50 years. do you think things that were deeply taboo and did get you, sort of, you know, a lot of publicity and a lot of notoriety in the 1980s, have they become much more sort of acceptable, that society, notjust you two have changed but society has changed? yes. — what about sex? we knew that, 1967, when we were baby artists walking out of st martin's school of art, london was an entirely different place. england was an entirely different place. the world was a different place. and what has happened in those 50, nearly 60 years, we've been a small part of playing the change. we're very proud of that.