Nighttime economy . Looking at bars, restau ra nts, clu bs a nd nighttime economy . Looking at bars, restaurants, clubs and theatres. The Football League say no to the £50 million bailout offer from the premier league, as another plan is launched to restructure the game. Hes used to performing in front of thousands of fans, now former one direction star, niall horan, is playing to an empty albert hall to raise money for his roadies. Iam i am amongst the changing autumn colours at Westonbirt National Arboretum. Will there be some sunshine to enjoy it . Your full forecast on breakfast. Its friday the 16th of october. Our top story tensions are growing between local leaders and the government over regional restrictions, but a scientific advisor has warned that continuing the row is a very dangerous route to go on. Its after the mayor of Greater Manchester, andy burnham, rejected plans for the area to move to the highest risk category, which would force bars, pubs and gyms to close. Our Political Correspondent, nick eardley, reports. Fighting coronavirus has never been easy but, as the virus spread and cases arise, the governments lockdown plans are coming under real pressure. It wants Greater Manchester to face the strictest measures, closing paths and banning houses to mix in most places to get covid under control but man is furious. This was his message to the government yesterday. Greater manchester, the liveable city region and lancashire are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy as an attempt to prevent the expense of what is truly needed. This is an important moment. Greater manchester will stand firm. Many conservative politicians in the region are also unhappy. This morning, there will be more talks to try and reach agreement. The final decision is one for ministers but they desperately want locus apart. Local support. Some scientists are worried about Political Division. I think we have got to come together as a country. This pigmentation and frankly making this either eight north south or Party Political issue, that is a very, very dangerous route to go on. If you look at the country to have controlled this world today, they have had a National Consensus about the way forward and what we do not wa nt the way forward and what we do not want now is a fragmentation, confusion. One area or region etched against another. I think that would be very damaging to Public Health and the response. Talks also continuing in lancashire like here in burnley which could soon face the toughest tier of restrictions. They are looking at support from government. This evening at 6pm, Northern Ireland will go forward, introducing a Circuit Breaker, closing pubs and restaurants for four weeks except for takeaway. Alcohol sales have banned after 8pm in shops stop schools will be closed for a fortnight from monday. Wales also introduces new restrictions telling people from covid hotspots to stay away. Today, in london, the last date that households can mix indoors before a ban comes into being at midnight. Our lives are once again under restrictions with many more things to come. Nick eardley, bbc news. Our Political Correspondent, helen catt, joins us from westminster. We have, at the moment an argument over what city should be in what tier but what we do know, and these are facts, is coronavirus cases are rising, in some places very fast and hospital admissions are also rising. Yes, and this is all to do with these regional strategy of tackling these regional strategy of tackling the virus regionally. The real flashpoints, as you heard in the report, seems to be around regions ready under restrictions, already on the high alert level and the government want them even higher. People have been living under restrictions which have not yet got the virus under control and that top tier does give a much broader range. There is a minimum of things that have to happen like pubs and bars closing. Things that should not happen like closing schools, shops and universities but there is a huge range between which could resemble a regional lockdown in those areas and thatis regional lockdown in those areas and that is the argument played out in Greater Manchester. Andy burnham is a man and labourfavoured Greater Manchester. Andy burnham is a man and labour favoured a Short National lockdown so bear that in mind. A labour man. That is what looking at with that. Pressure on borisjohnson to show looking at with that. Pressure on Boris Johnson to show that looking at with that. Pressure on borisjohnson to show that it is tier system is working because we know his scientific advisors argued for something much stronger several weeks ago but the government said it would be too damaging to the economy and has chosen at this other path. It is thejob and has chosen at this other path. It is the job of government to balance these things but now he is under pressure to make sure things work. Well be speaking to the foreign secretary dominic raab at 7 30 this morning. If you are in some of those areas and you have strong feelings, to let us and you have strong feelings, to let us know. Will also taking more generally some of your questions about health and restrictions. Lots to talk about. Health inspectors have raised concerns about the millions of people who could have missed out on care as a result of the covid i9 pandemic. Since it started, gp surgeries have offered 26 million fewer appointments, compared to last year, according to nhs figures. The Care Quality Commission is warning that the number of lost appointments could mean cancer diagnosis has been delayed while other long term conditions may have worsened. President trump and democratic nomineejoe biden, took part in separate, but simultaneously televised debates overnight, in place of the second president ial debate. Both were asked about the coronavirus and criticised each others response to the pandemic. Our north america correspondent david willis reports. It was a prime time split screen showdown, the president ial candidates competing for eyeballs in duelling debates a stark reminder of how strange this entire campaign has been and when it came down to the pivotal issue of the day, a virus that is claimed more than 215,000 american lives, the two men seemed to occupy, not just rival channels, but competing orbits. He said he didnt tell anybody because he was afraid americans would panic. Americans dont panic. He panicked. The president insisted america has turned a corner on the coronavirus. Many people are catching it, getting the disease that was sent to us by china and should not have been allowed to happen. If the body of Scientists Say this is what needs to be done and it has been tested and gone through the phases, yes, iwould been tested and gone through the phases, yes, i would encourage that. President trump was called upon to denounce qanon, the false conspiracy theorists, he declined. Denounce qanon, the false conspiracy theorists, he declinedlj denounce qanon, the false conspiracy theorists, he declined. I know nothing about it. I do know that they are much against paedophilia. He was also present claims that he owns hundreds of billions of dollars to creditors. The debate emphasised that the contrast in styles between the two candidates with fewer undecided voters than four years ago, the impact may be limited. A second face to face debate is due to ta ke second face to face debate is due to take place in nashville next week. Theres been plenty of rain this month but saturday, october the 3rd, was the wettest day in the uk since records began in 1891. The met office said a downpour following storm alex saw an average of 1. 24 inches of rain, or 31. 7 millimetres. According to researchers thats enough rain fall to fill loch ness, the largest lake by volume in the country. The previous record wettest day was 3a years ago, in 1986. Loads of numbers but the thing that struck me was that there was enough rain to feel likeness. That seems extraordinary. Loch ness. Rain to feel likeness. That seems extraordinary. Loch ness. Matt will make sense of it. You are at westonbi rt will make sense of it. You are at Westonbirt National Arboretum. What do you make of that, can you fathom it . Enough rain to feel loch ness . It isa it . Enough rain to feel loch ness . It is a lot of rain, simply put. That was not an explanation it is a lot of rain, simply put. That was not an explanation i am a lwa ys that was not an explanation i am always there, into the depth of thing. The wettest day for over 74,000 thing. The wettest day for over 711,000 days. I will work that went out through the morning. I am at westonbi rt out through the morning. I am at Westonbirt National Arboretum, where better to see the changing autumn colours. Over 2500 different species and it open in 1829. I will have more details on all the lovely changing colours throughout the morning. While there will be dry weather across the uk, plenty of cloud around. Sunny intervals possible. Be wary of one or two showers. Thick cloud across eastern areas. Showers across east anglia, the midlands, east wales. A few down to the eastern districts as well. The majority of the country dry. Temperatures around 11 1a degrees soa temperatures around 11 1a degrees so a little on the cool side. Tonight, particularly chilly night. The outside chance of a frost. Showers across eastern parts of scotla nd showers across eastern parts of scotland and england. As we head into the weekend, more cloud around generally, not as much sunshine. Particularly in central parts of the uk. Best of the breaks in the cloud towards the west but another cool day, probably feeling cooler than today, particularly across scotland. More details throughout the morning. I will get all my numbers in gear as well. I was going to suggest that you say what is going to happen in the future. He will find the facts and then tell us. What are you going to say to him now . He is looking very lovely in that figure hugging job. Thanks, charlie. How to make friends. People from different households will no longer be able to mix together. Ben is in the west and, after a night of clubbing or not laughter. We are in the heart of west and london. That is region street where they have been putting up street where they have been putting up the Christmas Lights. They are optimistic they will come shopping. So many bars and restaurants, cafes and shops in this part of town but it really quiet once again. New restrictions coming into force for london from midnight and it could have a huge impact on what is already struggling industry. The hospitality sector facing a lot of pressure given the restrictions are put in place and london is a slightly different. The number of people able to work from home rather than coming into the city centre having a huge impact, as well as a falloff in tourism. What could those changes mean . We have been asking a few for their thoughts. It is going to be tough but i guess everybody is making adjustments now and we have to adapt to it, i guess. I dont want another lockdown like we had before so this is a minor way of doing things to get it right, i guess we will have to accept that. It is frustrating because it is so difficult for people to understand what tier one is, tier12, but tier two but how will it be implemented, we dont know. tier two but how will it be implemented, we dont know. If you go through with the restrictions, i feel we should protect health and not have any further risks. I think it isa not have any further risks. I think it is a brilliant idea because in keeping, keep|ng it is a brilliant idea because in keeping, keeping the virus down and obviously if we could control the virus, it is the way we could go forward and have no solution for it yet. So some of the thoughts of londoners last night. But why is londoners last night. But why is london different and what implications could have, as i said, for the hospitality sector but also things like retail . Two people with me to explain more, julian is the boss of drake and morgan who runs a number of pubs and restaurants up and down the country and chemicals from uk hospitality. Good morning. Gillian, talk me through what it means for you because you have a view right across the country, havent you, with your business . What are those Restrictions Mean for how you run your business . They are devastating, we have businesses in edinburgh and manchester but predominantly in london, we are the largest buyer and Restaurant Operator in the city of london and have had great support from the city of london and the local authority but it is completely devastating, and for us, the kind of inconsistent message that the government has worked from home and stay from home because predominantly we are reliant on Office Workers, whose buildings and such like a nearby so it is catastrophic for business and the city of london, as well as in edinburgh and also now in manchester. I wanted to talk about staffing and some of the logistical things injust a minute but let me bring in kate. Why is london different because a lot of people will say in parts of england and indeed elsewhere, wealth of scotland, Northern Ireland, these restrictions have been in force so why is london getting so concerned about a change in that way . You are right, these have been in force and we know they have had a devastating effect on business across the north east and north west over the la st north east and north west over the last few months and they have seen revenues tumble. London has been hit already, this is a triple whammy now with london, no International Tourists and work from home hits london businesses in its centre really hard. So they have best to achieve 30 of the normal revenue since reopening after covert, this takes away the last bit of business that remains, 70 of business in Central London hospitality is mixed household socialising covid. As lunches, business dinners, people coming out after work for a drink takes away that bit of the business altogether and coupled with the 10pm curfew, they are having an unsustainable business level so they have no choice but to close because they cannot stay open open at 10 20 of revenue. When you hear they cannot stay open and the revenue drop and unsustainable in the longer term, what does it mean . Are you worried about whether you can open your venues worried about whether you can open your venues and keep on the staff your venues and keep on the staff you have . Absolutely, of course, we are financially modelling now laying off people. We have faced ruin in our business actually in terms of all of these curbs and Different Things that are happening and actually the latest one of tier two by the mayor and such like the mayor of london is absolutely preposterous and ridiculous so were modelling all of that now, people have been, i founded the business myself and our business is only 12 years old, we employ over 600 people and actually we have to make plans now for all of that because our business is not only closing at ten oclock but now we cannot have mixed household and all of the things that kate said, it is catastrophic, notjust for us in the city of london and across the uk but for all of the pub and bar sector. Yeah, devastating, thank you to your both and we will talk more later. You get a real insight there into why those changes have such an impact on the hospitality sector because in some respects it may seem that it because in some respects it may seem thatitis because in some respects it may seem that it is just a sort of gradual increase in some of the restrictions that are already in place but particularly that household mixing issueis particularly that household mixing issue is a huge concern for hospitality, knowing that friends will go down the pub and that is the exact reason they are there to socialise and mix with other people socialise and mix with other people so that is a concern and as you heard there, bosses are really worried about their longer term future if these restrictions are in place for any length of time. More from me a little later. Ben, we will see you later, thank you. Shall we look at the front pages today . Starting with the metro. Most of them are dominated by the growing revolt against the governments coronavirus restrictions. The metro describes the Greater Manchester mayor andy burnham as number tens night mayor. The telegraph reports that the Prime Minister is under pressure to call a National Lockdown not just from labour, but also scientists and the nhs, while some conservative mps have attacked the stricter rules in london. The times leads with something completely different an investigation into what it calls a Russian Disinformation Campaign designed to spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine. The paper says its not clear if the propaganda was directly authorised by the kremlin, but it claims there is evidence some russian officials were involved. And the New York Times reflects on the different approaches of President Trump and his democratic rivaljoe biden in their televised town hall interviews last night. It says mr trump was combative and defensive, in stark contrast to a more measured mr biden. Iam i am focusing on finland two very different stories. If you are on social media, i think you would have seen and i will explain what this is about, this is a photograph of finlands Prime Minister, 3a years old, and when she came into power in december she was the worlds lung Youngest National leader. She put other women in her cabinet has been very vocal about womens rights. She has been photographed in a magazine and there has been a lot of criticism about what she is wearing and it has brought about the discussion about if a man were photographed, a leader, does not remember pictures of putin with his chest aired . And there are criticisms. And the photograph shows. . Criticisms. And the photograph shows. . And it has caused the row . Yes, a couple of mps from the right have criticised her, two conservative mps were criticising the fact she was inappropriate and she has come back and there has been this hashtag i am with sana, supporting her right to wear whatever she wants that it is brilliant. There are people posting pictures of themselves with blazes, including a gentleman with a necklace and a blazer, test bed. Good for them lots of sport. The other finland themed story was do you like aeroplane food . Do you remember those days you travelled by plane . If you are especially hungry, yes. You would only eat it if you are very hungry. Normally, yes. So not a big fan. So finn air has a range of meals so it has launched them to the public so they are on sale in supermarkets. This is a story in the telegraph. What is a dish . This is reindeer meatballs. Arctic char. So, yeah. The kitchen staff has been laid off, so they are trying to create more jobs. Have you finished . Because trying to create more jobs. Have you finished . Because i trying to create more jobs. Have you finished . Because i will pick up with a story from you put the kettle on is the question . We love a tea story it is ten minutes to seven . It is 22 minutes past six. It is 22 minutes past six and someone in your house or they have you put the catalogue . Mum will be saying in their house it seven, we are late. No, it is not. If you put the kettle on how much water do you put in there because the story is about people who overfill their kettles. By people who overfill their kettles. Bya people who overfill their kettles. By a lot dangerous. Make a cup of tea and you put in way too much water, one in four tea lovers dont know how much water is required for a mug of tea, usually, the details here, 300 millimetres and one in a0 one, one in four tea lovers overfill the kettle because they worry that he water will end up lime scaling. Yes so you worry about that because you dont think the stuff down the bottom will be nice. If you put one mug of tea of water in the kettle, some of it evaporates when it boils some of it evaporates when it boils so you have to put in more. Im not saying fill up the kettle but you a lwa ys saying fill up the kettle but you always do overfill and especially if you live in an area where there is limescale. If you fill the cattle very full does it make more noise . Kettle. It bubbles over. You must be careful. There you go, now you know, do not fill your kettle to fall. It is 2a minutes past six. Too fill. Cruise passengers say they have been waiting more than six months for refunds for cancelled holidays. One couple who contacted the bbc say they are owed more than £10,000. The Consumer Group which . Says these are not isolated cases and is calling on the competition and markets authority to investigate how Cruise Companies have handled claims. Our Consumer Affairs correspondent sarah corker reports. When the world went into lockdown, the cruise industry came to an abrupt halt. Months on from the height of the pandemic, cruise customers margaret from wigan are still waiting for refunds for Holiday Company planet cruise. They said 90 days at the beginning, which i thought was bad but i thought under the circumstances, and saying that the whole of the years business was, so up to 90 days i was quite happy and then they started ringing and the answer was oh, weve got lots of people in front of you, there are thousands waiting for refunds. Margaret is owed more than £1300. She booked a north america cruise to celebrate her golden wedding anniversary. She was not surprised it was cancelled but did not expect it to be such a battle to get her money back. Not expect it to be such a battle to get her money backlj not expect it to be such a battle to get her money back. I have worked ha rd get her money back. I have worked hard for my money so it is not like i have got lots of money. It is the money that is my money that i have worked for and i think i have every right to have it back after waiting so long. The uk cruise industry supports over 80,000 jobs and every year, it generates an estimated £10 million for the uk economy. Many of the major cruise lines have cancelled their itineraries until 2021 and under consumer law, if your package holiday, like a cruise, is cancelled by your provider, you are supposed to get your money back within 1a days. But there are long delays. I think firstly we would like to apologise for people having to wait so long for refunds which would only take a couple of weeks but the main reason for it is the sheer number of scales of the number of cancellations caused by covid 19. At the same time Many Companies have laid off staff and are on furlough so many less people are working to release those refunds but people have been very patient because in some cases they have been waiting for months. Peter from gloucestershire had his trip cancelled by planet cruise as well and is still owed more than £10,000 for his trip around canada and north america. Because this is sort of a unique holiday, there is no way i wa nted unique holiday, there is no way i wanted any form of voucher. Initially, they stated the cruise element would be a 60 day time period and the rest would be 90 days. Well, those timetables have been more than doubled. Still waiting. Planet cruise has apologised and said but margaret is losing patience. Every week, four months, it has been the same thing. There are lots in the same thing. There are lots in the queue and you will have to bide your time type of thing. No she has now been waiting for more than 170 days and counting. Sarah corker, bbc news. But is a very long time for those people to be waiting. And a lot of money we were talking about how much water to put into your kettle, it gets people talking and already jamie has been in touch, she must love her tea because she keeps water in the kettle just in case her water goes off during the day and she needs a cup of tea. While he doesnt keep water in the kettle . Where is your question for the morning. Who has an empty cattle . I would. Com pletely has an empty cattle . I would. Completely empty . I would pour the water out if i have not used it for a while so why put water back in because i would be wasting water. Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. See you shortly, we have things to discuss good morning from bbc london. Im sonia jessup. So, from midnight tonight, therell be tougher restrictions for london, essex and part of surrey, banning different households from mixing indoors. The high alert level is being introduced as infection rates in the capital begin to rise steeply. The government has said theres an unprecedented package of support in place for businesses and vulnerable londoners, but the mayor wants more assurances. We continue to lobby the government to give businesses in london additionalfurlough to give businesses in london additional furlough support, councils in london Additional Support and individuals and workers in london but it is really important that we do not have a Health Catastrophe turn into an economic catastrophe turn into an economic catastrophe which is why i support andy burnham, steve rotherham, all of the mayors across the country and the leaders asking the government to provide the support we need. If you want to see how the rules in your area apply to you, you can search by postcode on our website. The owner of a venue in west london could face a fine of up to £10,000 after police broke up a wedding reception with more than 100 guests. Body worn camera footage from the met shows guests being led from the tudor rose in southall on tuesday evening. Only 15 guests are currently allowed at weddings under coronavirus restrictions. Medical researchers in the capital say covid test results could be speeded up if labs assessed them in batches. The advice comes from academics at the University College london and the London School of hygiene and tropical medicine. They say evaluating samples in batches rather than individually and retesting only the groups that come up positive means fewer tests overall would be needed. Lets take a look at the travel situation now. The tube was running well but we have got minor delays on the northern line at the moment. Also a burst water main over in dulwich, this is how it looks. Not much going on because the 8205 is closed. The a205 is closed between lordship lane and college road. And the aao has one lane blocked westbound between the polish war memorial and hillingdon circus. A vehicles broken down. Time for the weather with elizabeth rizzini. Hello, good morning. It has been locally every chilly start of the day with some spots south of the river down as low as two or three celsius last night with some lengthy clear spells but a bit of the river down as low as two or three celsius last night with some lengthy clear spells but beautifully missed but for the vast majority of us, quite cloudy this dry or mostly dry, perhaps a few spots of drizzle falling from cloud at times. Maybe one or two showers blowing in on the now much lighter north easterly wind. Afternoon temperatures of 13 or 1a. The best of any brighter spells will tend to be out towards the west counties. Through this evening and overnight, milder than last night. A lot of cloud out there. A great start to saturday morning for most of us with temperatures in the mid to high single figures. On saturday and sunday, it is set to stay again dry or mostly dry, High Pressure dominating and perhaps a little bit of drizzle, always a lot of cloud and not too much in the way of sunshine as we head into the start of next week then, turning wet and windy by tuesday. Theres more from me in round half an hour. Theres more on our facebook. Plenty of you having your say on the latest coronavirus restrictions. You can join the conversation there. Now, its back to naga and charlie. Hello this is breakfast with Charlie Stayt and naga munchetty. Well bring you all the latest news and sport in a moment, but also on breakfast this morning well find out how staring at a seagull could be the best way to protect your chips. Former one direction star niall horan is used to performing in front of thousands of fans, but his next show will take place in an empty Royal Albert Hall well be talking to the singer about how he hopes it will highlight the plight of the Music Industry during the pandemic. And well be hearing about how an 80 Year Old Army veteran is raising money for charity by rowing 100 miles up and down a canal in a homemade boat made of corrugated iron, good morning, heres a summary of todays main stories from bbc news the growing row over regional covid restrictions in england is very damaging to Public Health, thats the warning from a leading government scientist. Professorjeremy farrar from sage warned that making the issue a north south, or Party Political matter was a very dangerous route to go on. Talks aimed at reaching an agreement on local restrictions for parts of the north are due to resume this morning. As weve been hearing this morning new rules banning different households from mixing indoors will be imposed in london from tomorrow. The capital has been placed under tier two restrictions to prevent rising coronavirus levels. Our gp dr Rosemary Leonard is based in south london and joins us now. Good morning. How are you . I am fine, thank you how are you. What do you make of this tier two decision . We kind of knew it was coming, the big issue was this business of six people outdoors only and in the earlier lockdown it was fine, it was the early summer, the evenings were warm. I have a lot of worry that elderly people might see that the only time to get some time is outside and i do not want them outside, in the dark in freezing cold weather. I am aware the virus spreads more easily inside but i wonder about the science of pushing people outside. What would you suggest . I would suggest small gatherings inside is safer healthwise than pushing everyone into a freezing garden. It is but it is, as the phrase goes. Do you think this will make a difference to the rate because that is what we all wa nt to rate because that is what we all want to bring down . We can only hope so. You see things about a wedding reception of 100 people and it makes me so cross. Most people are trying to be so careful and everyone is in it together and irresponsible behaviour has to stop if we want to get the rate down. In terms of psychology, there are those in favour of the three tier system and others say, enough, two week break, a three week break is what needs to come in. But a national bracken is shunting the problem along the line. We need to learn to live with this virus and keep the economy going. I have seen with the effects on peoples health, particularly if that Mental Health, especially for those who have lost theirjobs and there are morejob those who have lost theirjobs and there are more job losses to come. Whenever you open it up again, the problem will still be there. Whenever you open it up again, the problem will still be therem whenever you open it up again, the problem will still be there. It may pause but at least that if the rate comes down, it is a constant resetting. All of this while we wait and hope a vaccine will emerge in the coming months. There has been a 5050 the coming months. There has been a 50 50 chance of vaccine ready by december. In gp federations there has been talk about getting ready when the vaccine comes and a very optimistic view was maybe by december. That is very optimistic. We do not have any moment days. What is certain, went to this vaccine arrives, it will be a huge logistical problem getting it out to 60 Million People. It will need refrigeration, you need to have the force of people to hand it out. Lots of planning behind the scenes of when the vaccine becomes available, we can start giving it as soon as possible but as yet do not have a date. But there is cautious optimism about maybe early next year. What does that planning behind the scene involve . Does that planning behind the scene involve . Who gets it first . How quickly can you get it . You and i have spoken about the problems with the flu vaccination and people worried about whether they will get those . Yes, at the moment, from what i have heard, it will be the vulnerable population first, healthcare workers, surely people on the nhs frontline should get it first some people are saying. As with the flu vaccine, we cannot have piles of people in the waiting room because they could in fact one another with coronavirus so organising it and thinking, how do you give it to the whole of your practice, to all your patients is going to be a logistical challenge and that is something we are thinking about. On the daily express, on the front page, a ticking time bomb is 26 million have missed gp visits. Visits being missed. Is that your experience and what are the implications . During lockdown, i was sitting to inflate my thumbs. We had appointments at they were not being filled. It was a birx and people who had cancer symptoms were not coming forward. Now, this week, we have been busier than ever and were doing more appointments than ever but they are ina appointments than ever but they are in a different way. Instead of people ringing up the receptionist and try to get an appointment to see me, they go on line, they e mailed me, they go on line, they e mailed me yesterday we were e mailing back within10 15 minutes, sorting out peoples problems. There are fewer face to face appointments and some people are finding that challenging. I have also heard some gp practices do not do any face to face appointments and i think that is unacceptable. When we need to see patients in the surgery we are doing that but we are dealing with a lot of things on line or by phone. Are you ok in terms of the pressure building . It feels that, as the talk about lockdown and more vaccinations, more people being concerned about their health, how is that in terms of pressure for you . There is a great pressure. Yes, to say life is normal is not the case. I have done 12 hour days this week, eating a sandwich at my desk. It is difficult but we are in difficult times and difficult but we are in difficult times and i would be the last person to whinge about but i have to take ca re of to whinge about but i have to take care of my staff. And take care of yourself, always good to talk to you. Thank you very much. Yesterday we were able to talk about action on the pitch but today were back to about money and survival. M some cases it could be 5 six weeks before some go to the ball. The english Football League has rejected the proposed £50 Million Pound bailout from the premier league. £50 million bailout from the premier league. The offer would have helped teams in leagues one and two, but not the championship which was one of the Sticking Points. The efl wanted any package, to be, for all 72 member clubs, and also the sum offered, was well short, of the amount, the clubs feel, they need to survive. £250 million is what is sensible. How they derived the figures in terms of loss revenue these clubs will have. You forget the confusion that comes when people say the owners should be funding theirs. We have just taken out really revenues that are missing because the clubs are complying with what the government want to do and not having crowds. Amid the on going, crisis caused by covid 19, a group of prominent figures from sport and politics, has launched a different plan to restructure football, called saving the beautiful game manifesto for change. They say, if their system had been in place, it would have been far easier to arrange the help, needed for smaller clubs. Among those leading the initiative are gary neville, denise lewis, and the former fa chairman, david bernstein. By by and large football is very resista nt to by and large football is very resistant to change, for whatever reason, it may be vested interest or whatever. We have concluded that, after a ll whatever. We have concluded that, after all those failed attempts, the only way to move forward with very little change is to have an independent an independent regulator supported by Parliament Without which he or she would not have the authority we believe to do what needs to be done. In rugby league, salford have revealed the identities of the two players who tested positive for coronavirus they re dan sarginson, who would have fetured in tomorrows challenge cup final against leeds, and jack ormondroyd. There was only one game last night, because wigans game with catalan, was cancelled because of, yep youve guessed it, positive tests earlier in the week. St helens recorded a ninth straight win over wakefield. Tommy makinson with a hat trick of tries in a a8 6 victory. One rugby union line for you, breaking overnight, and the world champions south africa have pulled out of the rugby championship, just 15 days before its due to start, over what they call, player welfare concerns they say theyve had less time to prepare than new zealand and the hosts australia. And Bristol Bears play their first european final tonight they take on toulon, for the european challenge cup title. A thousand fans aloud in that one. And finally, when were hurting, in life, in sport, it helps to share, to off load, and thats what liverpool manager, jurgen klopp, did after his sides 7 2 thrashing by aston villa, with the merseyside derby, looming next tomorrow, he says he eased the pain by sending a full and frank message to all his players. The night after the game was not the best night of my life, let me say like this. We got up in the morning andi like this. We got up in the morning and i knew we had to speak to my but they were not here so i texted them a long, long message. Pretty much my thoughts about the things that happened and, after that, ifelt much better because i was out. It works to share your feelings. I think he is the most positive person everin think he is the most positive person ever in football. He comes across as very affa ble ever in football. He comes across as very affable and reasonable but he wa nts very affable and reasonable but he wants results. I do not think he would have been filled with. He would have been filled with. He would have been filled with. He would have had a positive overtone. I think the brevity in texting is a good thing. What . Not too long. While that was a long one. Yours are just, meet you, hi. Probably not even high. Do you actually type out words . Sometimes. Were talking about matts jacket. Do you want to make friends . This time of the season, look what surrounds you . Isnt that absolutely beautiful, tell us . Absolutely stunning. What a place to be this morning. Good morning we are at Westonbirt National Arboretum. Were well into autumn. The yellow colours, a pigment already there in a leaf which is gradually revealed as we start to lose sunlight through the day. And then the reds start to develop further. In Westonbirt National Arboretum a case like everywhere else in the uk, a bit of a struggle due to covid restrictions, they had to shut down. But they have had one of the best summers on record due to booking systems. And you do have to book ahead. Some decent weather around to see the colours change wherever you are over the few days. Today, of course, the forecast is one with sunny intervals. Various amounts of cloud. From that we will see one or two showers now and again but many places will get through predominantly dry fruit today. The cloud spilling in from the east. Showers in east anglia, the midlands, wales and parts of scotla nd midlands, wales and parts of scotland as well and the odd one to Northern Ireland. They will continue on and off across eastern areas. East anglia and the midlands, prone to further showers. Showers in the english channel, particularly the eastern part of kent. The wind is easterly. A chilly day even in the sunshine to the south and west of the country. Through this evening and overnight, more cloud putting into place and that means it will be getting very cold for many. A 7 in many areas with spots of rain and drizzle in the east. In clear skies towards the south and west, they may bea towards the south and west, they may be a touch of frost first thing in the morning. Into the weekend, we start on a rather grey note. The autumn colours may be looking a little bit muted. One or two showers dotted here and there but most are dry day. The west is best for the sunshine. Hold up for tomorrow particularly across scotland. On the sunday, a subtle shift in wind direction. It will start to break up the cloud. A better chance across england and wales of seeing sunshine. Into Northern Ireland and western scotland, we could see the heavier shower later on. Into next week, we see things turn windy and also better at times so the autumn colours are out, get out and enjoy because stronger winds next week. You are showing is this beautiful autumnal colours there and saying they will be gone so enjoy them while you can . I did not say they will all be gone, i said make the most of it. Well said. A beautiful place to go for a walk. Absolutely loads of people were doing that during the National Lockdown. Many of us took the opportunity to explore the great outdoors. But finding the best and safest routes can be difficult so volunteers across the country have stepped in to create slow maps, as David Sillito has been finding out. Ledbury in herefordshire, and sue and nina, two friends, who, like many of us, have done lots of local walking in recent months. And one thing has surprised them. Just that there were so many footpaths, really. Next to where i live, there is a real, like, networks, like a real net of foot paths. I hadnt realised how expensive it was. The governments official advice at the moment is, walk, if you can. But how viable is it . For instance, the first village up the road is a place called wellington heath. And according to my phone, its a simple a7 minute walk. Cani can i tempt you to go for a walk then . Ican can i tempt you to go for a walk then . I can always be tempted on a walk so yes. And im going to choose the route. I will follow it on my phone. Oh, my goodness. You sure it is not better to have a map . Orami sure it is not better to have a map . Oram i too sure it is not better to have a map . Or am i too Old Fashioned . Sure it is not better to have a map . Or am i too oldfashioned . However, lets just say the walk was not a pleasa nt lets just say the walk was not a pleasant experience. Blimey oreilly and we were not the only ones trying to make it on foot. I am starting to feel like i have made a terrible decision here. I am really starting to regret my route here. I dont think its really working. I think we need to find a a better way to wellington heath. And someone has been working on that. If we just hold back a bit we have another car coming here. This was a terrible idea. So a slow map . What is it . It is a project to create a network of walking routes that connect all of great britains town cities and dozens of villages. This is daniel raven ellis, geographer, walker and the man behind the slow map of britain an attempt to show the best, direct, safe, pleasant walking route between our towns and villages. Surely, its all on my phone these days . Isnt it . Well, when a lot of us use the typical navigation platforms we use for driving, but for walking, instead, actually, they can take a down some pretty dodgy and unsavoury routes. You have been doing all of them, have you . Well during lockdown, about 700 people came together on the project and created 7000 routes that stretch for 100,000 kilometres which is the equivalent of 2. 5 laps of the equator. These are your slow ways . Exactly. So weve used Ordnance Survey maps plot out these beautiful slow ways walking routes. We are here every night and you can see this is to get ourselves to worcester. So this is the theory that your volunteers have come up with . Now its got to be tested, im guessing . Yeah, some of these routes just may not work in practice on the ground. So we need to find 10,000 people to help us walk 100,000 kilometres of slow ways routes. Which takes us back to sue and nina, and plan b. I took out dans map and took the new slow route, which took us away from the cars, through a hereford cider orchard. So lets just stop here for a second, shall we . This is the slow route and. Better than my first one . Yes, it is really nice, isnt it . It smells different and it sounds different and it is beautiful. Nice underfoot. What did you think of my route . The original route, i would be kind enough not to say a huge improvement. This is what walking is all about for me, being out here in an apple orchard, birdsong, what more do you want . So, route one is a winner, just another 999,998 kilometres to go. David sillito, bbc news, ledbury. A couple of things there, how rare you see people using real paper maps anymore. Yeah you can load everything on your phone now. It is a nice thing. Eight minutes to seven. We all know the Music Industry has been hit hard by the pandemic, affecting both the artists and the people working behind the scenes. Despite some innovative ideas, including this one from the flaming lips, who we can see here performing to crowds enclosed in their own bubbles, the future remains uncertain. That is how they are getting around those restrictions on social distancing. Former one direction star niall horan is the latest singer to help out. Hes performing a virtual gig at the Royal Albert Hall and donating all the proceeds to his road crew and support staff. Lets chat to andy lenthall, who is a trustee of the charity stagehand, which supports people involved in Live Performance who are out of work. A very good morning to you, andy. Morning, charlie. Can you give us a snapshot of how people are working behind the scenes, roadies, is behind the scenes, roadies, is behind the scenes in those roles now . These are people who have not worked since about march. They have struggled through the summer, a lot of people have repurposed and retrained and gotten themselves into temporaryjobs or retrained and gotten themselves into temporary jobs or part time jobs. Looking after themselves. But our Research Shows that 50 of those crew have been relying on government support. Generous government support, we have to add. It ends now. So the support that they have been relying on has disappeared. The problem of no work within the live Music Industry will carry on until quite possibly next spring, and that is only when we will start to see return. So were really looking to a winter of debt, doll and desperation. Not a good scene what would you have the government do . Offer a tailored package of support for those people. This is a sector we have heard aboutjobs being unviable and this is a viable sector, it is notjustifiable, it is enviable, we are the envy of the world. Look at niall horan and the work he does and what a move, what a man, but we are the envy of the world and we have some of the best production talent not only the musical talent and the content but the people who design and create the shows, amongst the best in the world and this is a viable proposition. We deliver £a. 5 billion of taxable revenue to the economy and that is worthy of viable proposition for investment. I mean, you will probably be well familiar with the irony of tailoring something towards a specific area. Absolutely. Where does it stop . You say you look after stage groups and the live Music Industry but then where does that stop, what about the people who support that area of, you know, the road crews and the people who make the big cases that you carry things in whose worker stopped, where, you know, when you stop whole process . It isa know, when you stop whole process . It is a whole process that really needs to look after the whole ecosystem. It does stop within the ecosystem. It does stop within the ecosystem. But it will stop somewhere. But it stops at the point at which it stops becoming an investment and it is an investment ina investment and it is an investment in a sector of the economy that was growing rapidly. Year on year. In a sector of the economy that was growing rapidly. Year on yearlj know you mentioned the niall horan, who is doing this we will speak to him later in the programme, actually. Without pointing fingers here, do you think those artists who are the ones who have most the most money over the years, whether they have been sufficiently forthright or even actively engaged with the process of helping those people who work behind the scenes . Has there been enough of that . Charlie, i have had phone calls directly from i have been starstruck, i am merely now, im really on the sofa with naga laughs. Give me the stagehand details, i want to donate so that is given as a Crew Relief Fund with so fara given as a Crew Relief Fund with so far a quarter of £1 million of donations from generous people like vance who i will not name because they want to keep it, you know, these other things, these are humble people of the best of times bands. We have received donations from the ppl who represent artists and pay them their rights and they have given us a starter, a grant, really generous one, Record Companies like sony, artist, a beautiful photograph of a guitar but is signed by an artist who wants us to ruffle it, and we will do that, and we will do it for more and more donations that we have had from artists and you will see possibly the biggest memorabilia ruffle you have seen. I guess, time is up, but is obviously very positive raffle. It is not something you are looking for in terms of assistance from government but we appreciated and we will watch with interest how the fund grows. Have a look at the website and donate and leave a tip for the crew, that is all i ask. Thank you. And we will be speaking to niall horan just after 8 30 this morning. Find out what is happening wherever you are and we will see at seven oclock. Good morning from bbc london. Im sonja jessup. From midnight tonight, therell be tougher coronavirus restrictions for london, essex and part of surrey, banning different households from mixing indoors. The high alert level is being introduced as infection rates in the capital begin to rise steeply. The government has said theres an unprecedented package of support in place for businesses and vulnerable londoners but the mayor wants more assurances. We continue to lobby the government to give businesses in london Additional Support, councils in london Additional Support and individuals and workers in london, but it is really important that we do not have a Health Catastrophe turn into an economic catastrophe thats why i support andy burnham, steve rotheram, all the mayors across the country and the leaders asking the government to provide the support we need. If you want to see how the rules in your area apply to you, you can search by postcode on our website. The owner of a venue in west london could face a fine of up to £10,000 after police broke up a wedding reception with more than 100 guests. Body worn camera footage from the met shows guests being led from the tudor rose in southall on tuesday evening. Only 15 guests are currently allowed under coronavirus restrictions. A source from the Mayors Office says he would find it unacceptable to remove free travel from children and older people in the capital. It follows reports that the government is offering transport bosses another bailout deal of £1 billion to Keep Services running, but only if they raise fares, curb travel entitlements, and extend the congestion charge zone. The Mayors Office says negotiations continue. Lets take a look at the travel situation now. On the tube, the northern line has minor delays between camden town and high barnet and Mill Hill East due to a signal failure. A quick look at the north circular, where its the usual delays westbound between the a10 and brownlow rd. And the aao has one lane blocked westbound between the polish war memorial and hillingdon circus. A vehicles broken down. Time for the weather with elizabeth rizzini. Hello, good morning. Its been locally a very chilly start to the day with some spots south of the river down as low as two or three celsius last night with some lengthy clear spells. A bit of early mist going on here but for the vast majority of us, really quite cloudy this morning. Well be keeping those layers of cloud as we head throughout the day. It should stay dry or mostly dry just perhaps a few spots of drizzle falling from the thickness of the cloud at times. And maybe one or two showers blowing in on that now much lighter north easterly wind. Top afternoon temperatures of 13 or 1a. The best of any brighter spells will tend to be out towards the west and home counties. Now, through this evening and overnight, it will milder than last night. There will be a lot of cloud out there. A very grey start to saturday morning for most of us with temperatures in the mid to high single figures. And then on saturday and sunday, it is set to stay again dry or mostly dry. High pressure dominates. Perhaps a little bit of drizzle, always a lot of cloud. Not too much in the way of sunshine. As we head into the start of next week then, it is set to turn rather theres more from me in round half an hour. Theres more on our facebook. Now its back to naga and charlie. Good morning. Welcome to breakfast with Charlie Stayt and naga munchetty. Our headlines today damaging to Public Health a warning from scientists as the standoff between regional leaders and ministers over covid restrictions intensifies. I think we have got to come together as a country. This fragmentation and, frankly, making this either a north south or a Party Political issue, that is a very, very dangerous route to go on. Manchester is resisting being placed into the tightest restrictions the mayor, andy burnham, describes it as a flawed and unfair policy as talks continue today. What do those additional Restrictions Mean for bars, restau ra nts, pu bs Restrictions Mean for bars, restaurants, pubs and theatres . I am in the heart of west end to find out what it could mean to our night time economy. As olympic champion, adam peaty returns to competition in the pool. Well speak to him about that, about being a dad, and his concerns about pools closing again due to tightening covid 19 restrictions. And join me at the Westonbirt National Arboretum. All the details of your weather on breakfast. Its friday the 16th of october. Our top story tensions are growing between local leaders and the government over regional restrictions but a scientific advisor has warned that continuing the row is a very dangerous route to go on. Its after the mayor of Greater Manchester, andy burnham, rejected plans for the area to move to the highest risk category, which would force bars, pubs and gyms to close. Our Political Correspondent nick eardley reports. Fighting coronavirus has never been easy but, as the virus spreads and cases arise, as the virus spreads and cases rise, the governments lockdown plans are coming under real pressure. It wants Greater Manchester to face the strictest measures, closing pubs and banning households mixing in most places, to try and get covid under control, but mayor andy burnham is furious, saying the governments plans are flawed, and dont offer enough support for local people, whose work place might be forced to close. This was his message to the government yesterday. Greater manchester, the Liverpool City Region, and lancashire are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy, as an attempt to prevent the expense of what is truly needed. This is an important moment. Greater manchester will stand firm. Many conservative politicians in the region are unhappy too. This morning, there will be more talks to try and reach agreement. The final decision is one for ministers but they desperately want local support. All the while uncertainty for people and businesses over what happens next. And some scientists are worried about Political Division. I think we have got to come together as a country. This fragmentation and, frankly, making this either a north south or a Party Political issue, that is a very, very dangerous route to go on. If you look at the countries that have controlled this well to date china, singapore, vietnam, korea, germany, new zealand they have had a National Consensus about the way forward, and what we do not want now is a fragmentation, confusion, one area or city or region pitched against another. I think that would be very, very damaging to Public Health and the countrys ability to respond. Talks are also continuing in lancashire, like here in burnley, which could soon face the toughest tier of restrictions. Local politicians are considering whether to agree to a package of support being offered by the government. This evening at 6pm, Northern Ireland will go further, introducing a Circuit Breaker closing pubs and restaurants for four weeks except for takeaway, alcohol sales are being banned after 8pm in shops, schools will be closed for a fortnight from monday. From tonight, wales introduces new restrictions too, telling people from covid hotspots elsewhere in the uk to stay away. And today, in london, is the last day that households can mix indoors before a ban comes in at midnight. Millions of us are facing significant restrictions on our lives once again, and there may be more to come. Nick eardley, bbc news. Our Political Correspondent helen cattjoins us from westminster helen, is the Prime Minister coming under pressure to change his strategy on regional restrictions . Lots of noises and voices against it. They are but lots of noises and voices against it. They are but the lots of noises and voices against it. They are but the first lots of noises and voices against it. They are but the first thing is time pressure to take the politics out of it. The aim is to stop the virus spreading and there is a short window to take the action to do that and get it it is thought it will work if they get local leaders involved and in agreement. If it does not have local agreement. If it does not have local agreement it might not work well. This is not quite the strategy that the scientific advisors recommended, they favoured a Short National 2 three week lockdown. Labour has given that idea political backing supporting it. The government said it did not want to go down that route because it would be too damaging to the economy and other Health Issues and it is the governmentsjob to Health Issues and it is the governments job to make those kind of cause and balance those issues but there is pressure to show they have made the right call. Conservative backbenchers also putting pressure. Any suggestion that the government is going towards a National Lockdown is unlikely to be met well by conservative mps. Many expressing concerns that the existing restrictions are too harsh stop i think it would be quite difficult for Boris Johnson in stop i think it would be quite difficult for borisjohnson in his party to do that. We will talk to the foreign secretary dominic raab at 7 30am. Meanwhile from today in scotland it will become mandatory to wear Face Coverings in some workplace settings. Our reporter Alexandra Mackenzie joins us now from glasgow. Good morning. We are getting used to absorbing lives of restrictions and regulations. Little bits of. Absorbing lives of restrictions and regulations. Little bits of. We have been getting used to wearing Face Coverings, particularly on public transport is, when we go to the shops and supermarket. From today, there are going to be some changes, that is going to be extended to the workplace and it will come into phases. The first is mandatory from today. People who are going to work today will have to wear a Face Covering into the workplace canteen, not when they are sitting down eating but regulations will bring everything in line with other areas of hospitality. You have to wear a Face Covering going into and leaving the canteen, queueing up and leaving the canteen, queueing up and paying. From under it would be extended into other social and communal areas of the workplace so well have to wear a Face Covering when entering and leaving your workplace, when you are up making a cup of tea perhaps or in other communal social areas but you are not going to have to wear a Face Covering when you are sitting down at your desk. So you do not have to wear the Face Covering all day. There is also a slight relaxation of the rules. If youre getting married from today or entering a civil partnership, the couple will not have to wear a Face Covering so long as they are two metres from the limited number of guests or if there isa limited number of guests or if there is a partition between the couples and the guests. Thank you very much. Donald trump and his president ial rivaljoe biden have taken part in separate, but simultaneously televised events answering questions from the public. Its after the second debate was cancelled following mr trumps coronavirus diagnosis. Speaking on abc news, joe biden criticised the president s handling of the pandemic, accusing him of panicking. The president said his administration had done an amazing job in a broadcast on nbc news. Good morning to you. We will take you somewhere lovely, really beautiful autumn leaves. Just perfect for today. Matt has the weather for us now from Westonbirt National Arboretum. He is somewhere amongst those trees, probably below. Yes, my tree climbing days are over. Good morning. The beautiful trees behind me starting to change, some of these date back to the 18705 when westonbi rt date back to the 18705 when Westonbirt National Arboretum wa5 established, colour5 changing where you are as well but will you get the weather to enjoy it . Lets take a look. Plenty of cloud around but there will be some sunshine, the best of which to the south west of the country. A bit of a chilly start. Temperatures down to single figures. Some showers around particularly dotted acro55 some showers around particularly dotted across england and wales. Thi5 dotted across england and wales. This is where we see the bulk of the 5howers. Maybe not quite as many as yesterday. Showers likely around the engli5h yesterday. Showers likely around the english channel, down to the channel islands. The club breaking up in the ea5t islands. The club breaking up in the east and north on the easterly breeze but feeling cool. A few showers continuing overnight mainly eastern counties. A lot more cloud in place tonight 5aid temperatures holding. If you do see any lengthier cloud breaks, temperatures could drop to 2 3. Another cool day on saturday. You will be able to get out and enjoy dry weather in many cards of the country, particularly the western parts. Drizzle po55ible in the east, not quite as much 5un5hine in the east, not quite as much sunshine and a lot of cloud around. It will feel cooler. Looking sunnier for sunday. More details injust over half an hour. More than half of englands population will be living under tougher re5trictions from tomorrow as more towns and cities move into the high risk category. That includes million5 of people in london, as the capital moves from tier1 to tier 2 which means people from different hou5ehold5 can no longer mix indoors. Ben is in Piccadilly Circus this morning, looking at how this could impact hospitality workers. So many people have been affected but this new move is going to be significant . Yes, you are absolutely right. We are in the heart of the west end, Regent Street behind me, chri5tmas west end, Regent Street behind me, Christmas Lights being put up. Piccadilly circus and beyond that the theatres. Many might wonder why london is making such a deal of something already in place for many pa rt5 of something already in place for many parts of the country already but i was parts of the country already but i wa5 chatting earlier to the head of uk hospitality and it is sort of a triple whammy, no international visitors, more people working from home so fewer Office Workers here, and the new re5trictions could mean for example the mixing of hou5ehold5, bu5ine55 relies for afterwork people and lunches. And thatis afterwork people and lunches. And that is having a devastating effect on the hospitality sector and the right concerns about what happens next a5 right concerns about what happens next as those re5trictions come into force at midnight tonight. Let me introduce you to chew people. Simon i5a introduce you to chew people. Simon is a chief executive of a pub chain. And the owner of a new restaurant. Simon, you are running the5e busine55e5 simon, you are running the5e businesses and the challenge will be to make sure you can keep them open. Why is london different . What does it do differently to the rest of the country . The sheer scale, with nearly 10 Million People living and working here. Secondly, i like in london to a large onion. On the outskirts you have communities and villages desperate to keep that pubs open and jobs to say. In the centre, it is dependent on tourism, Office Workers and public transport. It is difficult to get to even when public transport is running well. It is that part of the city which will be rendered economically unviable during these restrictions. You have ju5t during these restrictions. You have just open your restaurant, it was 5uppo5ed just open your restaurant, it was supposed to open earlier and you put it. What a time to be opening now . Like you mentioned, we were trying to open sometime in february. There i5 to open sometime in february. There is no good time to open. We had a chat without inve5tors. We were encouraged by the campaign, momentum building up and we literally open on monday in the hope that we would have good re5ervation5, which we are having but it is sort of buying time because no one knows what will happen in the next few days. We have been watching. Obviously, it is the devil in a deep blue sea. They too, day three, it is frankly all the 5ame day three, it is frankly all the same to us. It is a moving target, we get that, we have to stay nimble but i think what we need from the government is some leadership to get out of the cycle of fear and have a sta ble out of the cycle of fear and have a stable system. The idea of tier two is useless that you cannot open to full capacity and get people in but at the same time there is no Financial Support . Get people in but at the same time there is no Financial Support7m gives everyone in london the worst of both worlds. It puts hundreds of thousands ofjobs at risk from tomorrow and the mayor of Greater Manchester has done an outstanding job for the city and also for hospitality workers in manchester. Trying to force the government to give it a Financial Support. The chancellor suited up on monday and said he would replicate the support that we have seen in other countries in western europe. He has to make sure that he had two staff who lose their jobs sure that he had two staff who lose theirjobs potentially lose sure that he had two staff who lose their jobs potentially lose their jobs through this crisis, a supportive with distension of the furlough scheme. The government needs the Hospitality Industry to lead the country out of the crisis and it simply wont happen if the chancellor does not provide stronger Financial Support for sites affected by 22. Tier two. Financial support for sites affected by 22. Tier two. You are doing all of your planning and predictions and talking to the bank about the bu5ine55 and talking to the bank about the Business Plan and you could not have foreseen this. How long can you keep going . Even as we say you only opened on monday. It is anyones gue55. Opened on monday. It is anyones guess. What we are hoping for, because we have a slight novelty factor being new and we are not a chain, hopefully that is some kind of 5peciality and we at least get to the end of the year, maybe rebalance the end of the year, maybe rebalance the books and rework our financial modelling. Obviously the number of covers we we re modelling. Obviously the number of covers we were meant to do and the kind of impetus we were expecting i5 not going to come so the problem is we are sort of in this initial thrust and excitement at the same time asa thrust and excitement at the same time as a lot of worry now. Hone5tly, it is hard to say but were hoping to at least get to the end of the year and re evaluate. Good luck. Really nice to see you both. Thank you. Look, i mean, that i5a both. Thank you. Look, i mean, that is a sense of what those new re5trictions could mean so in some re5pects they may seem like a gradual increase in the limitations on all of us as far as social lives but as you heard, huge implications for hospitality and i was hearing earlierfrom one of for hospitality and i was hearing earlier from one of our guests, explaining that just this earlier from one of our guests, explaining thatjust this weekend alone, 200,000 jobs could be lost in hospitality up and down the country. A direct result of these new restrictions. Then, thank you. Ben. Picking up on some of those themes elsewhere in the uk. From 6 oclock tonight, anyone living in high risk areas across the uk will be banned from crossing the border into wale5. But with half term looming, what will this mean for welsh businesses who rely on tourists . Our correspondent tomo5 morgan is at a glamping site in anglesey this morning. Still dark there, tomos . Many of the5e still dark there, tomos . Many of these sites and many of these hospitality venue5 will be very concerned. Yes, thats right. I am here on this site in anglesey, one ofa here on this site in anglesey, one of a very few areas of wales actually now that is not in local lockdown5 of the local lockdown5 in wale5 mean that nobody by law should be leaving their local Authority Area without a good reason and nobody should be entering tho5e areas. They would be fined or sent straight home if you do not follow the rules. A5 straight home if you do not follow the rules. As i say anglesey i5 straight home if you do not follow the rules. As i say anglesey is not ina the rules. As i say anglesey is not in a local lockdown but anglesey i5 an area that relies on tourism and also relies on a lot of tourism from the north of england and now with this travel ban that is due to come in tonight, what it means is people who live in hot spot areas acro55 other areas of the uk so maybe liverpool, london, central belt of scotla nd liverpool, london, central belt of scotland and the whole of Northern Ireland cannot travel to wales at all. Let me have a chat to lucy, you are the owner. How much of your trade comes from that area of the north of england, that actually now i5 north of england, that actually now is in north of england, that actually now i5ina north of england, that actually now is in a tear 2 three area . North of england, that actually now is in a tear 2 three area . A conservative estimate about 85 of our business comes from manchester and liverpool tier. Our business comes from manchester and liverpool tier. And you, since this travel ban has been announced coming into force have had announced coming into force have had a number of cancellations . We have entirely lost this weekend and we have e mail conversations with everybody who has it for half term which is one of our big blocks of bookings. You understand why the Welsh Government has done this . What i5 Welsh Government has done this . What is your view . I dont understand. When all of the visitors started coming injuly, we did not have a spike. When the eat out to help out started in august, we did not have a spike. There has not been a spike until now. Which i think, personally, comes from the students coming back to university. Thank you, lucy. Lets have a quick chat with the housekeeper here, you deal with the housekeeper here, you deal with a number of properties here and the knock on effect for you as well really. It is really difficult, especially planning the day, we will be in the middle of a changeover and get a phone call from the agency saying they have cancelled and we have to drop tools and go to the next house. It has been like that for a couple of weeks now. Already la st for a couple of weeks now. Already last night i have had ten cancellations for this weekend, but including the glamping site here. I do not know how we will get through winter. With the first lockdown, the equivalent of three winters, going into winter, we need the last push of the half term coming up, just to cushion the blow a bit for another winter coming cushion the blow a bit for another wintercoming in. Cushion the blow a bit for another winter coming in. Thank you. Thank you, lucy. The other thing to note about wale5 you, lucy. The other thing to note about wales is the bbc understands that the Welsh Government are in talks about bringing a Circuit Breaker in wales, a limited Circuit Breaker. It is unclear when that may happen but it could be in the next couple of days so the Welsh Government has said nothing has been finalised so far and the talks are ongoing with Different Industries to make sure they are aware and can put plans in place if that were to happen and whenever that does. Tomo5, thank you very much. 21 minutes past seven. The mayor of Greater Manchester andy burnham has said areas in the north are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy. Its as rows over tougher re5trictions continue between local leaders and the government. Were joined now by the leader of Manchester City council, richard lee5e. Thank you very much forjoining u5 this morning. Good morning. Good morning. Can you tell me what the situation is now in terms of meetings between regional leaders, like yourself and andy burnham, and the government . We have a meeting yesterday with representatives from the government in the morning, we had. We agreed to have another later in the day and it has been postponed, not been rearranged yet so at the moment, there are no meetings in the diary between us and government. As i understand it, there were meetings due to take place in other parts of the north that were all postponed a5 place in other parts of the north that were all postponed as well. We are ina that were all postponed as well. We are in a bit of a vacuum at the moment in terms of any sort of meaningful di5cu55ion moment in terms of any sort of meaningful discussion with government, and that is not a situation we want to be in, we really wa nt situation we want to be in, we really want to try to come agreement because the best way of being able to tackle covid 19 i5 because the best way of being able to tackle covid 19 is by working together. So they could potentially bea together. So they could potentially be a meeting today, though . They could be today but they could be one tomorrow or even sunday. Certainly last week, the meetings were taking place over the weekend and we are ready and willing to meet at any time. Can you tell me about the tone of these meetings . Where is the cla5h coming from . What is the tone of these meetings in terms of conversation between yourself and government . I think it has been very respectful. It has been very polite. I think respectful. It has been very polite. Ithink an respectful. It has been very polite. I think an element of goodwill within those discussions. But they have not really been negotiations, the government has been very much in the government has been very much in the position of saying this is what i5 the position of saying this is what is on offer, take it or we will impo5e it. Basically. And we have had to say you have not got evidence for these measures being effective and we have evidence that suggests they will not be and there is certainly not enough financial compensation for people who are put out of work and businesses and, including of course, busine55e5 out of work and businesses and, including of course, businesses that dont have to close completely but will have to reduce their staffing significantly as a result of the government measures. What is stopping the government from imposing it anyway . Well, i hope it is, that they want to come to an agreement with us as well. We have put forward a package of measures which we think would be effective in reducing the extent to which people meet in unsafe environment that we have suggested that, really, there ought to be the reintroduction of a package of measures to support Vulnerable People because a lot of this is about protecting our hospitals. We know who is at risk of hospitalisation so the question to them, dont take dog why dont we ta ke them, dont take dog why dont we take measures to protect those people to reduce the risk of them having to go into hospital and clogging the hospitals up . Can you explain the difference between the measures you are proposing and tier three proposals . Well, we dont want to be at tier three, i have been clear about that. Yes, but what is the difference in terms of what you are proposing and what the government thinks is appropriate in tier three . Whether we are in two or three, we still think there ought to bea three, we still think there ought to be a package of Financial Support for businesses. Sorry, maybe i am not being clear, i apologise. What are you proposing to bring down the infection rate in the regions that is different what would be imposed if t3 were in place . A is different what would be imposed ift3 were in place . A number is different what would be imposed if t3 were in place . A number of things. First of all, we are proposing off sale should cease. At least at the same time as on sale licensed premises close. We have seen big queues outside of licenses at ten oclock, particularly on a friday and saturday at night. We are proposing that we should have far tougher powers to be able to close any premises, not just licensed premises, but are not complying with guidance. Any public place where people can meet. We are talking about localisation of test entries. We are very concerned, were coming up we are very concerned, were coming up to bonfire season and we want make sure we dont have any public bonfires whatsoever test and trace. We are proposing in terms of businesses that are affected by imposed covid 19 regulations, businesses that have to lay people off, not just close businesses that have to lay people off, notjust close down but those workers and businesses get support, as well as those that have to close completely. How much does it cost . We have not costed the total package. We have costed some elements but we are going to run an enhanced test and Trace Service locally, that would be 20 million but the support to businesses, actually, it is impossible to cost because it depends on how many businesses have to close but we do have. How do you, sorry to interrupt, how do you go into a negotiation if you do not know how much it will cost and you are asking for money . Sorry, you have this the wrong way around. The government is proposing to impose measures and saying we ought to take measures but without having costed those measures, and what were saying is in terms of the impact peoples lives, and on the businesses, if these businesses close, many of them will never reopen again and there needs to be sufficient money available for however many people are affected, for them to be able to live a proper life and for those businesses to have a chance of surviving and those people to have jobs to go back to. A quick word, if the government says we are doing it anyway, what can you do . We will impose and we have had discussions, what would you do. If the government does impose it, clearly we have to comply. They are facing a situation so that every council in Greater Manchester and every member of parliament, of all parties, is opposed to what they are proposing. Does the government really want to get into that position or are they prepared to sit down and have a proper open negotiation about measures that have a chance of working . The other thing, their own experts are saying they dont think these measures will work. So richard leese, leader of Manchester City council, thank you so much for your time. Thank you. It is 28 minutes past seven. Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. Good morning from bbc london. Im sonja jessup. So from midnight tonight, therell be tougher coronavirus restrictions for london, essex and part of surrey, banning different households from mixing indoors. Infection rates in the capital are beginning to rise steeply. The government has said theres an unprecedented package of support in place for businesses and vulnerable londoners, but the mayor wants more assurances. We continue to lobby the government to give businesses in london Additional Support, councils in london Additional Support and individuals and workers in london, but it is really important that we do not have a Health Catastrophe turn into an economic catastrophe thats why i support andy burnham, steve rotheram, all the mayors across the country and the leaders asking the government to provide the support we need. If you want to see how the rules in your area apply to you, you can search by postcode on our website. The owner of a venue in west london could face a fine of up to £10,000 after police broke up a wedding reception with more than 100 guests. The met released this Body Worn Camera footage from the tudor rose in southall on tuesday. Only 15 guests are currently allowed under coronavirus restrictions. A source from the Mayors Office says he would find it unacceptable to remove free travel from children and older people. It follows reports that the government is offering londons transport bosses another bailout deal of £1 billion to Keep Services running, but only if they raise fares, curb travel entitlements and extend the congestion charge zone. The Mayors Office says negotiations continue. Lets take a look at the travel situation now. On the tube, the good news those earlier problems on the northern line have now cleared. Its running normally again. This is how it looks at the blackwall tunnel this morning. The usual queues northbound from the Woolwich Road flyover. And after an accident on the m25 earlier, theres heavy traffic anticlockwise betweenjunction 21 for the m1 to junction 18 for chorleywood. Time for the weather with elizabeth rizzini. Hello, good morning. Its been locally a very chilly start to the day with some spots south of the river down as low as two or three celsius last night with some lengthy clear spells. A bit of early mist going on here but for the vast majority of us, really quite cloudy this morning. Well be keeping those layers of cloud as we head throughout the day. It should stay dry or mostly dry just perhaps a few spots of drizzle falling from the thickness of the cloud at times. And maybe one or two showers blowing in on that now much lighter north easterly wind. Top afternoon temperatures of 13 or 1a. The best of any brighter spells will tend to be out towards the west and home counties. Now, through this evening and overnight, it will be milder than last night. There will be a lot of cloud out there. A very grey start to saturday morning for most of us with temperatures in the mid to high single figures. And then on saturday and sunday, it is set to stay again dry or mostly dry. High pressure dominates. Perhaps a little bit of drizzle, always a lot of cloud. Not too much in the way of sunshine. As we head into the start of next week, it is set to turn rather wet and windy by tuesday. Theres more from me in round half an hour. One hours time. Theres more on our facebook. Now its back to naga and charlie. Hello this is breakfast with Charlie Stayt and naga munchetty. The government is facing increasing pressure over its handling of the Coronavirus Crisis and there are fears that the divisions between ministers and local leaders are damaging the countrys ability to respond to the pandemic. Werejoined now by the foreign secretary dominic raab. A very good morning to you and thank you for your time. Can you establish from the governments point of view where we are at with negotiations between government and local leaders in manchester and lancashire . They are ongoing. We can see them through ina are ongoing. We can see them through in a collaborative effort. We have secured deals with london, sadiq khan, and liverpool. Ultimately, we need to take action and cannot have a situation as in manchester where andy burnham is holding the government over a barrel over politics. We must take action in the interest of the people of manchester. If we take action in those areas most affected, my constituency has gone to a higher tier, if we do that, we get through this and avoided the National Lockdown with curiously andy burnham and sir keir starmer is calling for. Lets put politics aside. We have seen that in liverpool and london and westminster and use that as the model and i urge andy burnham to do the right thing. You could say put politics to one side and yetjust a moment ago, you use the phrase the talks are ongoing. We spoke to sir richard lees, the leader of Manchester City council and his phrase was we are in a vacuum with no talks planned for today in fact the talks were meant to take place are not taking place. Sorry, i thought you were talking about lancashire as well. Sorry i think i said. Sorry, carry on. Lancashire as well. Sorry i thinki said. Sorry, carry on. You said the wider series of councils and that is what i was responding to. We heard what andy burnham said last night and frankly it is a slightly curious position some people up and down the country would be surprised that andy burnham targeted measures, albeit restricted, with all sorts of impact we wa nt restricted, with all sorts of impact we want to mitigate but he is resisting targeted measures, whereas sir keir starmer is calling for a locked across the board. They cannot be right. A curious Political Division within labour. We take the targeted measures now and follow the rules, you have to do so in the higher risk areas and avoid the National Level lot down. The government is taking a balanced approach and following the scientists recommendations carefully. We have a good track record of doing it. I pay tribute to people who are working with us and andy burnham and other Council Leaders should do the same. |j andy burnham and other Council Leaders should do the same. I am aware of a slight time delay but i come back to the point i made before. Manchester city council is saying there are no talks. They were expecting dogs and you say you want to engage and they say there is a vacuum to engage and they say there is a vacuum right now. Expecting talks. Why are there no ongoing talks. Why are there no ongoing talks with manchester to go into tier three if that is the current government position . tier three if that is the current government position . I am not involved in those specific dogs but a very involved in those specific dogs but a very generous offer involved in those specific dogs but a very generous offer has been made. We protected 12 millionjobs nationally through the pandemic so far. All sorts of discussions with manchester if manchester are pulling up manchester if manchester are pulling up the drawbridge, unless money comes in, i do not think that is the appropriate way to proceed. We have put a generous proposal. High risk areas will get more support and we support all that but we cannot have a situation where andy burnham is effectively saying unless you give us all we want, we will not follow the rules to protect the people of manchester he is supposed to represent. Time delays spread the infection further and ultimately cost lies. If it is the governments position that manchester should be in tier three and we know that delaying decisions cost lives, why doesnt the government do it now . We are obviously holding in reserve the ability to do that. We strive with everything you to deal with local authorities. Merseyside, it has been effective. We would like to get there with andy burnham and manchester and other areas including lancashire. It misplaces talks are ongoing but we have to have a reasonable approach from both sides and you are absolutely right to say time is important because the disease is spreading, particularly in those areas so the response is for andy burnham to recognise the financial package as generous and to follow with the government rather than pull up the drawbridge. That is the best thing for the people of manchester. His right to be concerned the impact on local business. But it would be far worse if we do not take the actions now and we have a National Lockdown. I would urge all local leaders to show the leadership for which they were given. It is a National Lockdown something the government is still actively considering . We are taking this approach with the tier approach, medium, high and very high level, precisely so we can take targeted geographic restrictions and put them in place with local authorities and local leaders to avoid a National Lockdown. It is present, we have andy burnham resisting. I do not want to go back to that point because it is a point you have made three times. wa nt to point you have made three times. want to come back. But it is an important one. Leave the politics to one side for the moment. With the greatest respect, i will answer the questions in the way i deem appropriate. I am just pointing out that there is a big discrepancy between what the labour leadership in various parts of. I am going to ask a question, if i may. It may ta ke ask a question, if i may. It may take us away from the politics of this question. 21st of september, sage recommended a short Circuit Breaker, shot lockdown the nation. The government decided to not pursue that. The government decided to not pursue that. A the government decided to not pursue that. A short lockdown. Why was that. A short lockdown. Why was that decision taken at that time and did you agree with the decision the governmental to ignore the sage advice . It was not a question of ignoring it. We were given a range of options. Sage were clear that if we took the tier approach and got the support of local leaders, which is why this issue is so important, and we fully implemented it, we could avoid a National Lockdown and a Circuit Breaker which is essentially a National Lockdown could be more damaging for the economy so the government and i fully support this, that the government take this targeted approach and if we make that work, and we rallied together as we have donein and we rallied together as we have done in the past, we can avoid any National Lockdown whether indefinite or temporary. That must be the right thing to do if we can. It is reported that it was said to andy burnham ina reported that it was said to andy burnham in a meeting that he was of the opinion that a National Lockdown was the only way to go. I. I have listened to jonathan was the only way to go. I. I have listened tojonathan on countless occasions and discussed these issues with the chief Health Officer and chief medical officer and that is not the advice the government has said. The advice is clearly that if we ta ke said. The advice is clearly that if we take these tier targeted geographic approach and the high level areas receive fully implementations and lean into this we can avoid a National Lockdown and that must be right when you consider the combination of factors which is getting covid back into control but also the economic damage that a National Lockdown would go. also the economic damage that a National Lockdown would go. If you look at the delays in government decisions and the timeline and the fa ct decisions and the timeline and the fact that people are tested positive, the period up to the 22nd of september, a926 people tested positive. The most recent comparable figure, daily uk test is 18,980. That is 5000 as compared to 19,000 over period of three weeks. Every delay, in every decision, is costing more lives and infecting more people. Youre making a strong case for andy burnham to work with us and not pull up the drawbridge so we can get this done. On testing specifically, we have the best testing rate in europe of any major economy but every country is going through these challenges. We saw paris this week going through a lockdown with her fears. Paris this week going through a lockdown with herfears. When i talk to my german opposite number, i have just come back from asia, every country is going through similar challenges but europe is the real increase in the virus and we do have a local level structures and we want to work with them but you are absolutely right, one of the challenges is getting decisions taken challenges is getting decisions ta ken swiftly and challenges is getting decisions taken swiftly and the more swiftly we ta ke taken swiftly and the more swiftly we take the localised action the more chance we have of avoiding more severe National Level lockdown. That must be the right approach. Dominic raab, foreign secretary, thank you very much. I noticed it was cold where dominic raab was but mad is hardy plus he has the shelter from the wind from some beautiful trees at Westonbirt National Arboretum. It looks gorgeous. Where are you, matt . It does indeed. We are in the glades established in the 18705. Westonbirt national arboretum, it has been a bit of a difficult year. Lets talk to the Communications Manager at westonbi rt to the Communications Manager at Westonbirt National Arboretum, rebecca. Good morning. Beautiful morning to come and see you but it has been an unusual year. Morning to come and see you but it has been an unusualyear. It morning to come and see you but it has been an unusual year. It has been a challenging year. As with many attractions, we have had to close for just over two many attractions, we have had to close forjust over two months. Luckily we were able to reopen at the beginning ofjune. Our team worked really ha rd the beginning ofjune. Our team worked really hard and pull together some new plans and processes that we could reopen to the public safely. After that lockdown, the numbers just went crazy . We actually had our best summer weather, even without numbers because we are asking people to pre book tickets and to choose an entry time slots, people are coming a different sessions throughout the day which was very interesting. Now going into autumn which is typically out peak season and on another yet we could see 10,000 years through the door on an autumn day. This year we have ca ptu red autumn day. This year we have captured to just over 3000 two sure people have enough space to socially distance and really enjoy themselves while on site. Beautiful colours too . Yes, we think it will be a really beautiful year and we encourage them to come down and enjoy it because it has been amazing to see some many people enjoying it. Love it, the main thing is to pre book but you will get to see those autumn colours if you are lucky enough to have a ticket this weekend. And you mayjust about get some decent weather to go with it looking at the forecast, we will certainly today see some sunshine around. Thats particularly across southern and Western Areas but overall, plenty of cloud producing a few showers. Across some parts of england and wales. Still got low pressure in charge and it is a east to north easterly wind blowing across the country which is why things are on the cool side at the moment. It is where we are seeing the thickest cloud coming in from the thickest cloud coming in from the east so eastern scotland, Eastern England will see grey skies. 101a this Eastern England will see grey skies. 10 1a this afternoon. On the cool side but as i said not too bad with a bit of sunshine. Overnight that cloud becomes dominant, only a few brea ks cloud becomes dominant, only a few breaks in the cloud and we do see that, temperatures could be two or three degrees. Elsewhere, a seven into tomorrow morning. As we start the weekend, i fancy rather grey skies for the vast majority so autumn colours may be looking a little muted. A few breaks here and therefore, Western Areas are favoured once again. Some spots of rain or drizzle across the western and northern scotland and kent especially. A cool day, temperatures Single Digits across much of scotland, 1a are high in the south west. It is how it is looking. Thank you, matt. It looks so lovely, they are the best pictures of the day. Mike looking up the sport. Good morning can you beat those pictures . No. I mean, i can, Competitive Swimming is returning. That is interesting. It isjust as good. Idid that is interesting. It isjust as good. I did like seeing adam peaty in his wave pool in his garden. Different now that they have returned to competitive action. British olympic swimming champion and world record holder adam peaty has returned to competitive sport for the First Time Since the pandemic. After recently becoming a father, peaty is now in budapest to lead his team, and faces a difficult six weeks away from his new family. Hejoins us now. Great to see you, adam, ahead of your return to competitive action for the first time in the International Swimming league. Good morning paul side, in training already i guess today. Paul side. How does it feel to be back racing again . A little bit different from training ina a little bit different from training in a pool, it is exciting just to have the opportunity to race. Yes, it means though you have entered this bio bubble now for some six weeks. How hard is it for you to be away from the family after so long together, especially with your lovely little boy george being born in september . Yeah, i mean, it is difficult, i will not lie, i cried when i said goodbye. You know, it was tough. This is myjob, i was in the army and i had to go away and i had a different career and i had to go away, so had a different career and i had to go away, so it is tough, tough on any family but again, this is my career. I have to get really good preparation in for the olympics and ten months, nine months it will be now, so it will come around a lot faster than we think so to get some matches hopefully if we get the final, we need a lot of experience and good training. I love it you said the son born was like the same feeling as winning an olympic gold medal. It has changed life for you and your partner. We talk to sports stars like rory mcilroy who said it changes your whole attitude to competition and life. She will hate me saying that, comparing mice an olympic gold, but it has lifted my motivation. It is the most wonderful thing that can ever happen to anyone and now, i am thing that can ever happen to anyone and now, lam not turning up thing that can ever happen to anyone and now, i am not turning up here just to raise for myself or my country, i am just to raise for myself or my country, lam racing just to raise for myself or my country, i am racing essentially for my little one and my family. That is a completely different motivation and inspiration at the same time. Hopefully we will do something to pass the time. I guess you are keeping in touch with facetime or zoom or keeping in touch with facetime or zoom or whatever, daily little chats. Definitely, it is different when you have him screaming and you can turn the volume down because you cannot do that in real life, obviously you campaigned so hard in the summer to get swimming pools to reopen again after lockdown. How concerned are you about the tightening covid 19 restrictions on these very high areas, affecting us now . I have seen what i could on social media with, especially in liverpool where it is getting difficult, and the jimna didnt want to close, and i understand that angle, the gym that didnt. Especially in the winter months you need a place that goes you can go safely but people take the mickey out and dont do it so first of all we need to be safe and make sure we are not increasing the r rate and we need to make sure that people have access to things because not everyone can run or walk, people like to swim in water so it is a very small percentage of the population that can do that so we have to make sure whatever cost, we keep things open and keep them safe and we have plenty of experts back home and i do not want to be just another voice pretending to be an expert, this is my kind of point of view and i know exactly how much sport can help people. Especially with Mental Health awareness, the week last week, it is more important than ever that we keep these things open for people to release anxiety and hopefully get a little bit of an endorphin rush. The government said yesterday they have stressed further action is needed to suppress the virus and make the nhs, make sure it is not overwhelmed and they still strongly encourage everyone to take exercise and remain physically active and individualism certainly remains ongoing, it is this group sessions. Yeah, and i think that is a very good call, individual sessions like myself, in the early hours, we wipe everything down and have temperature checks and all of these things we have to check every single morning and it is the most responsible way to do it. Adam, we will need to keep it there but do you want to give george a wave this morning . Good morning love you is over, i always thank you for saving my career, for being so gracious and finding it so funny when i fell in the pool. I will always be grateful. How could you not laugh at that . dont know. I was trying to interview him. He could have been offended by my plunge. Anytime i have been told, no time i am being told. We have a single story. You have a story. This was a lockdown quiz question, how to stop a seagull from stealing your chips one was flapping your arms and one was staring and it was the right answer you and your quizzes and your knowledge are you good at staring . No, i cracked. We had a stare off before, didnt we . Ijust look weird. Agreed. Scientists say theyve come up with a simple defence as mike says making eye contact with the birds. Jen smith has been to sidmouth, in devon, to investigate. The good, the bad and the goal. It may not be a western but it has all of the markings of a showdown gull. Scientists are asking you to walk towards a, stay three or four metres away and make eye contact. The question is why . The goal of the research is to develop, use animals as biomarkers of the environment, so we actually, instead of taking a sort of top down approach where we say this environment is good for animals and this one is not so good, instead look at the behaviour of the animals and see the way that they behave tells us whether they think it is or bad. So we are trying to use them gull in this case as a biomarker of human disturbance or other sources of stress in their environment. If the app is successful catherine and her team hope they will be able to wrap medial populations. Looking at areas where the goals are in decline. The idea of the experiment is it is so simple that anyone can do it so, of course, we need to give it a go. Im sure you will manage a betterjob than me. It asks for information such as what type of gull you think it isnt what it was doing before you approached. Catherine hope by doing this, there may be another outcome we may learn to love them. There is quite a of research which shows that if people engage with nature and watch nature then they start to see all of the subtle variation in the animal of my behaviour and they start to feel more empathy for the animals so i am hoping that actually, as a byproduct of the study people might develop some affection for their local gull. Is it enough to persuade the locals to rethink any negative attitudes . After all, the birds do not have the best reputation around these parts. My best reputation around these parts. My wife had an ice cream stolen and a gull landed on her head and had a go at sort of trying to take the ice cream. So, yes, they can be a nuisance. A seagull decided it was mine, but he wanted, so he came down and wept my ice cream, had the whole thing out of my hand, and john jumped up on the bench and in his coat would you be willing to stare ata coat would you be willing to stare at a seagull . Yeah, it sounds odd, it sounds that being set up here, doesnt it . Like candid camera. Sta re doesnt it . Like candid camera. Stare at a seagull. Are you sure . I promise it is not a windup. The experiment is part of a science festival but the app is already being downloaded from as far afield as the faroe islands. So remember, in this showdown we are all friends, not foes. That was jen smith reporting from devon. Gulls are really big, bigger than you think, and would use the right one . I dont know. But after an expert. I am asking you i have not thought about it before but why not . There we go. It would be something to see. Katherine herborn, one of the behavioural ecologists who set up the gulls eye project joins us now from plymouth. Imean, you i mean, you mustve had the couple there saying are you being serious . Are we on candid camera . How safe, what distance, what are you hoping to achieve in the sense . So what we are hoping to achieve is we want people to kind of subtly walk up to the gulls, casually saunter over to within sort of three or four metres away and then just turn and look at them for five seconds so it is sort of simulating the normal kind of eye contact that the gull would experience from walking amongst us ina experience from walking amongst us in a town. And what we hope is that this stimulus is quite a potent stimulus for animals, eye contact, and what we are hoping as they will perceive us is potentially a competitor or a predator or maybe they will just competitor or a predator or maybe they willjust think competitor or a predator or maybe they will just think we have sussed them out and it would cause them to pause for a minute and think what they are doing and potentially move away. So could you just help us out, lets imagine the camera on your la ptop lets imagine the camera on your laptop is the seagull. And it is looking at you. Ok . And you are in the role of the person so could you illustrate for us, for a nice, what is it, five seconds . Illustrate, because i am confused about looking at the seagull and staring at the seagull so i wonder if you could illustrate for us 25 second sequences, one which is a look and one which is a stare. Can you do that . Starting with the look. The look now, for five seconds. Ok, a casual look. That is not making eye contact. So that wasnt looking, that was looking away from the gull. Yes, that is the approach. And then when you are actually making eye contact when you are actually making eye co nta ct you when you are actually making eye contact you just have to lock on. Nothing fierce. Hold on, that was not five seconds, five seconds presumably is important, right, it is the length of time so can we just read through the motions because in some ways five seconds is quite a long time so if i start you. Now. I think you were kind of smiling at the gull. Well, that may be possible. Were not telling you not smile or two happy face, sad face, it is just the eye contact we are keen on. And actually, ifound it is just the eye contact we are keen on. And actually, i found when you are looking at the gulls you can tell, i look back so they can probably tell when you are looking at them so if you give it a go. There is a purpose to this, in the sense, as well, looking at stress levels of the gull and also the behaviour that, you know, they are hated by many just behaviour that, you know, they are hated by manyjust because they nick food and swoop in and steal your chips and have a go and all of that so is it hoped this will alleviate, this almost frantic desire for food and nicking stuff . Yeah, i guess it is, the behaviour is naturalfor them so they will do it amongst themselves as well so little gulls will still worms from other birds and big gulls will stealfish will still worms from other birds and big gulls will steal fish from puffins and it is then just swimming in and stealing something from us is perfectly natural for them. But what we are hoping is two things will happen, people will, by understanding if they make eye contact with the gull instead of sort of flapping around or running away they can control the situation away they can control the situation a little bit more. Right. But also by watching it more carefully, it may motor something they have not noticed before. You have been a very good sport, katherine. Because charlie asks people to do remarkable things on television. You know, well, you can put your hand up there, Charlie Stayt, but you did. Thank you indeed for bringing that to light. Headline coming up. Good morning and welcome to breakfast with Charlie Stayt and naga munchetty. Our headlines today the row over digital covid restrictions intensifies as Boris Johnson accuse the mayor of Greater Manchester pulling up the drawbridge. Hes used to performing in front of thousands of fans. Now former one direction star niall horan is playing to an empty albert hall to raise money for his roadies. Iam and i am and amongst the changing autumn colours at westonbirt arboretum. Some dry weather around, but will there be any sunshine . Ill have the Weather Forecast details here on brea kfast. Its friday the 16th of october. Our top story. Tensions are growing between local leaders and the government over regional restrictions but a scientific advisor has warned its after the mayor of Greater Manchester, andy burnham, rejected plans for the area to move to the highest risk category which would force bars, pubs and gyms to close. Our Political Correspondent helen catt has more. Helen, good morning. We spoke to dominic raab earlier, and richard lees, this row seems to be intensifying, doesnt it s it does. Both sides seem to be digging in. This matters, because it could be hugely important in deciding whether or not this tier system does what it is supposed to do which is to control the spread of the virus. Dominic raab told us that the scientific advisers have told ministers that they can get this tier system without very high level put in place fully, which means with the agreement of local leaders, that would be enough to stop a National Lockdown. Andy burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, says hes been advised by the deputy chief medical officer that even if they put all these things in place there is still no guarantee that it will work and that he says its too much of a gamble considering the impact on the economy. That is where the two sites are at the moment. The question is, are at the moment. The question is, are they still talking . There seems to be confusion over that this morning. The of Manchester City council to richard lees, told us that they were not. We had a meeting yesterday with representatives from the government in the morning. We agreed to have another meeting later in the day. That has been postponed. It has not been rearranged yet. So at the moment there are no meetings in the diary between us and the government as i understand it, meetings were due to take place in other parts that were postponed as well. So we are and a bit of a vacuum at the moment in terms of any sort of meaningful discussion with government and thats not the situation we want to be in. The big Sticking Point seems to be around how to make sure that people are ok financially if these big restrictions are brought in and they do things like closing pubs and bars. The government says it has given generous support. Andy burnham says the new job given generous support. Andy burnham says the newjob support scheme which pays two thirds of wages, isnt enough and needs to be back nearer the 80 paid under the further scheme. Dominic ravi heims foreign secretary said that andy burnham needs to give there. Foreign secretary said that andy burnham needs to give therem manchester and andy burnham is pulling up the drawbridge and says we will not proceed unless more money is coming and i dont think thatis money is coming and i dont think that is an appropriate way to proceed. We are putting in a very generous package of support and there is higher risk areas will get more support for testing and tracing and forjobs more support for testing and tracing and for jobs and more support for testing and tracing and forjobs and businesses. Thats right. We would be supporting that. But we cannot have a situation where andy burnham is effectively saying unless you give us what we want we will not do the right thing which is following the new rules which will protect the very people of manchester that he is elected to represent. Labour wants to see a 23 week Short National lockdown. There isa week Short National lockdown. There is a bit ofa week Short National lockdown. There is a bit of a circular argument going on with the politics of this at the moment. On the one hand you have andy burnham saying that the government appears to be willing to impose restrictions on my region that it impose restrictions on my region thatitis impose restrictions on my region that it is not willing to impose across the country because it thinks it will be too damaging. On the other you have the government saying that andy burnham is objecting to restrictions in Greater Manchester that labour would want to see brought in nationally, so there is a circular argument going on in the politics of it, the framing of it being between the National Lockdown and a tier system and behind that there is time pressure, the virus is spreading and they need to come to some sort of conclusion, soon. Helen, thank you very much for taking us through that. Meanwhile, from today in scotland, it will become mandatory to wear Face Coverings in some workplace settings. Our reporter Alexandra Mackenzie joins us now from glasgow. What are the new rules . We are all getting used to wearing Face Coverings on public transport or in shops, but there are other changes coming into force today in the workplace. That will be in two phases. From today it will be in the canteen. If you are going up for your Morning Coffee or lunch it will be mandatory to wear your Face Covering. Not when youre sitting eating but when you are entering or leaving the canteen, or walking around, queueing up or paying, you must wear your Face Covering. Then from monday that will be extended yet again to all social or communal areas within the workplace. So, if you are entering or leaving the building or even if you are getting up building or even if you are getting up to go to the toilet, or making a cup of tea, walking along the corridor, you must wear a Face Covering from monday. The advice in scotla nd covering from monday. The advice in scotland is still to work from home if at all possible. The other change, from today, if you are getting married or entering a civil partnership, the couple doesnt have to wear a Face Covering during the ceremony, so long as they are separated from the guests either by a partition or by two metres. Alexandra, thank you very much. President trump and democratic nomineejoe biden, took part in separate, but simultaneously televised debates overnight, in place of the second president ial debate. In the broadcast on abc Newsjoe Biden criticised the president s response to coronavirus, while on nbc news the president said his administration had done an amazing job in handling the pandemic. Our north america correspondent david willis reports. It was a prime time split screen showdown, the president ial candidates competing for eyeballs in duelling debates a stark reminder of how strange this entire campaign has been. And when it came to the pivotal issue of the day, a virus that has claimed more than 215,000 american lives, the two men seemed to occupy, not just rival channels, but competing orbits. He said he didnt tell anybody because he was afraid americans would panic. Americans dont panic. He panicked. The president insisting america has turned the corner on the coronavirus. Many people are catching it, many people are getting this disease that was sent to us by china, and it should not have been allowed to happen. For his part, joe biden pledged to take a vaccine once one becomes available and said hed urge others to do the same. If the body of Scientists Say that this is what is ready to be done and it has been tested, theyve gone through the three phases, yes, i would take it, and i would encourage people to take it. Under sharp questioning, President Trump was called upon to denounce qanon, the false Conspiracy Theory that democrats are part of a global paedophile ring. He declined. I know nothing about it. I do know they are very much against paedophilia. The president was also pressed on claims that he owes hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign creditors. More than anything else, the duelling debates emphasise the contrast in styles between the two candidates. With fewer undecided voters now than four years ago, their impact on the outcome may be limited. A second face to face debate is due to take place in nashville, next week. David willis, bbc news. Theres been plenty of rain this month but saturday, october 3rd was the wettest day in the uk, since records began in 1891. The met office said a downpour following storm alex saw an average of1 and a quarter inches of rain. According to researchers thats enough rainfall to fill loch ness, the largest loch by volume in the country. The previous record wettest day was 3a years ago in 1986. A lot of water. It is an awful lot of water. Matt has the weather for us now from Westonbirt National Arboretum. A very beautiful place, matt, we have established that. That day, october three, people thinking a lot of rain today, but not realising it was as bad as it was statistically speaking. Really just the was as bad as it was statistically speaking. Reallyjust the fact was as bad as it was statistically speaking. Really just the fact that it was so widespread across the country. Every part of the uk was touched by heavy rain that day. Hence, we saw so much. And that record stood for a7,000 days so the wettest day in a7,000 days, one of the most difficult things for me to get my head around. As we start to see things warming up we will see more in the way of rainfall extremes. Thankfully it is not wet this morning in westonbirt arboretum. Beautiful colours in the acers behind me. This was established in the 18705. They have 2500 different species. The colours will be changing rapidly of all of them over the next few days as the autumn chill remains. On the forecast at the moment, we have a bit of sunshine around across the southern and Western Areas, quite a bit of cloud around, some outbreaks of rain across england and wales, fairly hit and miss, but the heaviest showers will be towards eastern coast of kent. One or two dotted around scotland, but many areas will be dry and for most of us this afternoon it will be largely dry. The best of the sunshine to the south and west, and with that east do north easterly wind it will be a cold day by and large at between 101a cold day by and large at between 10 1a celsius. The cloud becomes dominant tonight across the country. List of the clear skies and temperatures may not drop as low as they did last night. A few cloud brea ks they did last night. A few cloud breaks towards the south west means a saturday could start of chilly, maybe even a little bit rusty. Overall, tomorrow will be a more of a grey day, more cloud, less than a way of sunshine, the best of any brea ks way of sunshine, the best of any breaks will be to the south and west, sheltered from that east north easterly wind. If anything tomorrow will be rather cool anything tomorrow will be rather cool, eight celsius that parts of scotland, generally in the lower double figures. A cool weekend in store and by sunday we might start to see a bit more sunshine develop. Back to the studio. One of the loveliest settings for a while, isnt it . Lets return to our top story now. The government is facing increasing pressure over its handling of the Coronavirus Crisis and the ongoing row with local leaders in the north of england over whether to move some areas to the highest tier of restrictions. Thereve been a raft of new measures introduced across the uk this week. Lets take a look at the picture as it currently stands. In england, the dark areas on the map are under tier 1 restrictions, known as a medium alert, that means bars and restaurants must close by 10pm, and the rule of six is in place indoors and out. There are already a number of areas in tier 2, or high alert, and from tomorrow more willjoin them it means 28 Million People will no longer be able to mix indoors with other households. At the moment, only the Liverpool City Region is in the red tier 3 thats the very high alert where people are banned from mixing with other households both indoors and in most outside settings. Pubs and bars not serving meals have to close. The government wants Greater Manchester and lancashire to be added to that category. In wales, from 6pm today People Living in high risk areas across the uk will no longer be able to enter the country. In Northern Ireland from tonight a four week period of tighter restrictions begins pubs, restaurants and cafes can only offer takeaways and deliveries. Schools will close for an extra week over half term. And in central scotland, pubs and restaurants remain closed with tough restrictions also in place on venues in other parts of the country. Face coverings will also have to be work in workplace canteens when moving around from today and communal areas from monday. With so many new restrictions in place its not surprising many of you have been getting in touch with us to find out what they mean for you. Lets try and get some answers now from the bbc health editor, hugh pym and linda bauld, professor of Public Health from the university of edinburgh. Between you, all questions will be answered. Morning. First of all, lets hear a question from a viewer. What is the logic in closing all the gyms if they are taking all the restrictions and nothing is happening, what is the proof that something is happening inside gyms for them to close them down again . So i want to see the scientific reason behind what is being done. Professor linda bauld, the question is about what is the evidence enclosing gins . That is really tough, because we want people to be physically active. Enclosing linda bauld. We emit small droplets, we would emit smoke to exertion any gym, secondly by touching things, somebody might have passed the virus onto a surface, also look at the airborne, so enclose places with poor ventilation. That is not unique to gyms but it makes them slightly more dangerous. We have not seen any cases linked directly to gyms interest and trace in the uk, but that has been the case in other countries. They are only closed at the moment in liverpool, in Northern Ireland and scotland we can go to gym but not classes there. Graham hopkins asks, should a person living and working in london be able to come home to a tier one area without isolating . That brings it quite a few issues, hugh pym . There will be lots of people commuting into the cities which are in tier two, high alert, and going back in the evening. Nothing in the guidelines in england suggest anyone should isolate, so you can travel into work and go home again if you are in tier one and are going to tier two, but the advice is to avoid public transport where possible, work from home where possible, work from home where possible and be careful if you are due ina possible and be careful if you are due in a car share, try to avoid that and if you have to, keep the windows open. It is possible to do that. Your Employer Needs to make sure the workplace is as covid secure as possible. You can travel backwards and forwards subjected the suggestion that, where possible, you work from home. It would be nice to know when it will end and what will be the next step, currently there is no expiry date for it, i would say. Well, that is a very, very big question, when will it end . As i understand, that is specifically linked to restrictions, when will that part of it ends, rather than the even bigger question as to the whole issue. Professor, what help can you give us . What governments around the world are trying to achieve is to live with the virus all eliminated. The countries that have gone back to normal at places like taiwan and new zealand where they do not really have the virus within their borders. The uk strategy is to try to get infection rates down again so that we can release these restrictions, we will have fewer cases in the community, the rate of spread will be declining and hospitals will not be overstretched, a bit like in the summer, we need to get back to that position. If we have these restrictions for a while, that will get is in a better position with test and trace etc. We will have a difficult winter, that is the key thing to emphasise, and the solution to this is better treatment, antivirals, vaccines, we will see more of those next year. As a professor is saying, the timeline is very hard. What about the r number . We have been accustomed to thinking about that in relation to where we are in, if you call it that, the battle against the virus . The reproduction number, anything above one, a person is spreading the virus to more than one person. If it is below one, the vibe it is receding. It is above one all across the uk so different administrations across the uk have policies to try to reduce it. Linda put it exactly as it is, unfortunately it will be a very difficult winter. Dhe for different administrations, do you go further and delay Circuit Breaker . Northern ireland has gone for that, everybody is subjected restrictions and might bring the r number down for a certain period. That has been talked about in government and among health and science advisers, there are pros and science advisers, there are pros and cons, there is the argument about not squashing the economy, but the spring, as linda says, hopefully a development on the vaccine and more therapies and drugs, something hopefully for people to look forward to. We have a question about co parenting. How does it affect single mums and children, it is hard to understand the tiers and how that will work. Professor, what is the answer about people co parenting professor, what is the answer about people co pa renting in professor, what is the answer about people co parenting in different tiers . It is a really, really important question. Early in the pandemic, separated parents were anxious about how the guidelines apply to them. There are clear exception. Separated households, children who need to go between parent, can still do that, the peers do not affect that, and the support bubble concept in childcare bubbles, for example when a grandparent cares for example when a grandparent cares for a child or children need to go to childcare generally, they remain unchanged in the tier system, so we need to reassure both single and separated parents about the country that those exceptions remain. Hugh, in scotland, when you are in a bubble, if you are 12 or under you do not count in terms of numbers . Yes, this is for the rule of six, you dont cancel. That has been quite a full tissue in england, should children be included or not, and they are that has been quite and they are that has been quite a fraught issue in england. There has been some pushing for it to move so they are not the rule of six, not counted, so families can meet up and not having children. It is an ongoing debating points. Ian handley asks, if i travel from a tier two area to a tier one area for a pre booked holiday, which rules apply to me, tier two, or tier one . Professor, do you want to pick up on that one . Everybody, including me, need to think about the rules of the guidelines which apply in my area, they apply if i go to another area, soi they apply if i go to another area, so i must behave as if i am still at home. So that question is about tiers one and two, that individual can go to another area on holiday, but because tier two Restrictions Mean you are not meant to mix indoors with how other than your own, if you go to an hotel you should not be meeting with a french from another area, you should stay in that hotel with your own family. Travel and holidays are still permitted but behave as if we are taking our wills with us. A final point, briefly, if you are in peer three, the highest risk area, we are not supposed to travel out of those areas and people should not travel into them. Hugh, there is an issue specifically about wales . The Welsh Government has said that people in high risk areas, very high risk areas in england, should not travel across the border to wales, that is pretty clear. That is something to bearin pretty clear. That is something to bear in mind. As linda said, within england, it specifically says that the guidelines, you can go on holiday within england as long as you go with your own household, you do not mix with others. You can travel outside your area but stick to your own household or bubble. We thank you both very much, hugh pym, professor linda bauld, good to chat to you. There are more questions than answers, i think it is fair to say. It is one of those days. We are routinely trying to get through some of these issues as things change, as they do all the time. I hope that was useful, it might have been allotted i just, so was useful, it might have been allotted ijust, so now we are going to talk about walking, slow walking and slow maps. So many others have been walking during lockdown so volu nteers been walking during lockdown so volunteers have created things called slow maps. Finding the best and safest routes can be difficult, so volunteers across the country have stepped in to create slow maps, as David Sillito has been finding out. Ledbury in herefordshire, and sue and nina, two friends, who, like many of us, have done lots of local walking in recent months. And one thing has surprised them. Just that there were so many footpaths, really. Next to where i live, there is a real, like, Networks Like a real net of footpaths. I hadnt realised how expansive it was. The governments official advice at the moment is walk, if you can. But how viable is it . For instance, the first village up the road is a place called wellington heath. And, according to my phone, its a simple a7 minute walk. Can i tempt you to go for a walk then . I can always be tempted on a walk so yes and im going to choose the route. I will follow it on my phone. Oh, my goodness. You sure it is not better to have a map . Or am i too Old Fashioned . However, lets just say the walk was not a pleasant experience. Horn blares. Blimey oreilly and we were not the only ones trying to make it on foot. I am starting to feel like i have made a terrible decision here. I am really starting to regret my route here. I dont think its really working. I think we need to find a better way to wellington heath. And someone has been working on that. If we just hold back a bit, we have another car coming here. This was a terrible idea. So a slow map . What is it . It is a project to create a network of walking routes that connect all of great britains town, cities and dozens of villages. This is daniel raven ellison, geographer, walker and the man behind the slow map of britain an attempt to show the best, direct, safe, pleasant walking route between our towns and villages. Surely, its all on my phone these days . Isnt it . Well, when a lot of us use the typical navigation platforms we use for driving but for walking instead actually, they can take us down some pretty dodgy and unsavoury routes. You have been doing all of them, have you . Well, during lockdown, about 700 people came together on the project and created 7,000 routes that stretch for 100,000 kilometres, which is the equivalent of 2. 5 laps of the equator. These are your slow ways . Exactly. So weve used Ordnance Survey maps to plot out these beautiful slow ways walking routes. We are here every weekend, and you can see this is to get ourselves to worcester. So this is the theory that your volunteers have come up with . Now its got to be tested, im guessing . Yeah, some of these routes just may not work in practice on the ground. So we need to find 10,000 people to help us walk 100,000 kilometres of slow ways routes. Which takes us back to sue and nina, and plan b. I took out dans map and took the new slow route, which took us away from the cars, through a hereford cider orchard. So lets just stop here for a second, shall we . This is the slow route and. Better than my first one . Yes, it is really nice, isnt it . It smells different and it sounds different and it is beautiful. Nice underfoot. What did you think of my route . The original route, it would be kinder not to say a huge improvement. This is what walking is all about for me, being out here in an apple orchard, birdsong what more do you want . So, route one is a winner. Just another 999,998 kilometres to go. David sillito, bbc news, ledbury. If nothing else, itjust looks nice. Just get out. If the days are nice, enjoy them while you can. Former one direction star niall horan is used to performing in front of thousands of fans, but his next gig will take place in an empty Royal Albert Hall well be talking to the singer about how he hopes it will highlight the plight of the Music Industry during the pandemic. Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. Good morning from bbc london, im sonja jessup. So from midnight tonight therell be tougher coronavirus restrictions for london, essex and part of surrey banning different households from mixing indoors. Infection rates in the capital are beginning to rise steeply. The government has said theres an unprecedented package of support in place for businesses and vulnerable londoners but the mayor wants more assurances. We continue to lobby the government to give businesses in london Additional Support, councils in london Additional Support and individuals and workers in london, but it is really important that we do not have a Health Catastrophe turn into an economic catastrophe thats why i support andy burnham, steve rotheram, all the mayors across the country and the leaders asking the government to provide the support we need. If you want to see how the rules in your area apply to you, you can search by postcode on our website. The owner of a venue in west london could face a fine of up to £10,000 pounds after police broke up a wedding reception with more than 100 guests. The met released this Body Worn Camera footage from the tudor rose in southall on tuesday. Only 15 guests are currently allowed under coronavirus restrictions. A source from the Mayors Office says he would find it unacceptable to remove free travel from children and older people under any bailout deal for londons transport system. It follows reports that the government is offering more Financial Support a billion pounds to Keep Services running, but only if fares are raised, travel entitlements are cut and the congestion charge zone is extended. The Mayors Office says negotiations continue. Lets take a look at the travel situation now. Time for the weather with elizabeth rizzini. Hello, good morning. Its been locally a very chilly start to the day with some spots south of the river down as low as two or three celsius last night with some lengthy clear spells. A bit of early mist going on here but for the vast majority of us, really quite cloudy this morning. Well be keeping those layers of cloud as we head throughout the day. It should stay dry or mostly dry just perhaps a few spots of drizzle falling from the thickness of the cloud at times. And maybe one or two showers blowing in on that now much lighter north easterly wind. Top afternoon temperatures of 13 or 1a. The best of any brighter spells will tend to be out towards the west and home counties. Now, through this evening and overnight, it will be milder than last night. There will be a lot of cloud out there. A very grey start to saturday morning for most of us with temperatures in the mid to high single figures. And then on saturday and sunday, it is set to stay again dry or mostly dry. High pressure dominates. Perhaps a little bit of drizzle, always a lot of cloud. Not too much in the way of sunshine. As we head into the start of next week, it is set to turn rather wet and windy by tuesday. Theres more from me in round half an hour there is more on facebook and instagram. Goodbye. Hello, this is breakfast with Charlie Stayt and naga munchetty. Calls to provide Free School Meals to children during all School Holidays have been rejected by the government, following a campaign by the footballer marcus rashford. It comes after the Welsh Government committed to providing meals during all school breaks, until easter. One of those backing the campaign is the former Prime Minister, gordon brown, whojoins us now. Good morning, gordon brown, thank you forjoining us this morning. Good morning. It is naga, not charlie. I think i did good morning. It is naga, not charlie. I think did say good morning. It is naga, not charlie. I think i did say naga you are letting a letter to the Prime Minister this morning asking him to reconsider his decision. How helpful are you you will get a positive answer . I just are you you will get a positive answer . Ijust signed marcuss petition asking for a house of commons debate on this and 170,000 people have signed. Marcus is a great guy. He speaking from the heart. He knows from next from experience what it is like to go to school hungry, to go to bed without having enough food, and he wants to speakfor the 1. 5 having enough food, and he wants to speak for the 1. 5 million children who are not getting any school meals during the mid term break or christmas break and he wants them to have it. This is not about party politics. This is about social conscience, about compassion and care. I do think if borisjohnson look at what is being said, he would agree that to spend 20 million a week for two weeks, 30p per person in the country, it is not a big price to pay for ending child hunger amongst so many people. I would hope that conservatives, and ive spoken to conservatives as well as labour and other parties, i hope they will pick up marcuss campaign, on the grounds that we have to do something about rising levels of Child Poverty in this country. You said 33p a week, i think, in this country. You said 33p a week, ithink, the in this country. You said 33p a week, i think, the report from the institute for fiscal studies found that labours last plans for Free School Meals would cost around £850 million. I dont think theres anyone who would be watching this you would say that children should go hungry or acknowledge the fact that there are a number of children who rely on their one hot meal a day sometimes, being at school, but as we are in the middle of a pandemic, as money is being screened for from all sides, how can £850 million appear in the budget . If you are in budget right now if you are in government, where would you find it . Hold on, i think you have the figure is out of balance. 20 million a week is out of balance. 20 million a week is for what would be done in mid term and Christmas Holidays to get1. 5 mid term and Christmas Holidays to get 1. 5 million children in the meals that they would not otherwise have, given that they are not Getting School meals, so thats a relatively small sum of money to be paid immediately to get children out of poverty where at all possible, and so that is a small sum of money that no chancellor, now Prime Minister, should resist, to enable children in this particularly difficult period for families when many are suffering a huge loss of income, can be helped in this way. The longer term proposals that marcus has are related to extending Free School Meals to a large number of children who are not receiving them at the moment. At the moment it is about1. 5 them at the moment. At the moment it is about 1. 5 million. There are a million children in poverty, 3 million children in poverty, 3 million children in poverty, 3 million children at school who are in poverty and marcus is quite likely asking why do we only give Free School Meals to some of the children who are in poverty and not others, and thats an issue the government should address over the next few months, but the immediate problem is to get children meals during the next few weeks, and i believe a large number of people listening throughout the country will want to sign marcuss petition to get action on that immediately, to get action on that immediately, to get a house of commons debate on it and to get the government to change its mind. Sometimes a Prime Minister rushes into decisions, he announced it within an hour of receiving marcuss petition and letter. On reflection, he would think from his point of view, to put children in this position during the mid term and Christmas Holidays is com pletely mid term and Christmas Holidays is completely unfair, so we have got to distinguish between short term and immediate measures that have got to be taken and longer term proposals that have got to be addressed, because it does not make sense to me that you have a million children in poverty, 3 Million School children in poverty and only 1. 5 benefiting from Free School Meals. We have a more general system in Northern Ireland than mainland britain and weve got to consider that as something that is essential, too. Number ten has replied in reaction to this, saying we took the decision to this, saying we took the decision to extend Free School Meals during the pandemic when schools were partially closed during lockdown. Where in a different position with back open to all pupils and it is not for schools regularly provide food to people during holidays, we believe the best way to support families is the universal credit rather than government subsidising meals. Ijust rather than government subsidising meals. I just wanted rather than government subsidising meals. Ijust wanted to put that right of reply therefore the government. That is not strictly accurate, by the way. It will be local authorities that provide vouchers or a system that the government devises to do so, not the schools directly themselves. Scotla nd schools directly themselves. Scotland and wales are already doing this. People will ask why children in some of the most poverty stricken areas of the country are going to be denied a during the School Holidays soido denied a during the School Holidays so i do not accept the governments reply and Boris Johnson so i do not accept the governments reply and borisjohnson should look at this personally instead of setting out a standard reply and on reflection he would decide that it isa reflection he would decide that it is a small price to pay to keep children out of poverty during these mid term and Christmas Holidays. It would be tragic if during the christmas break children are going without food. This would be something that i dont think any pa rent something that i dont think any parent would want to accept. While youre on the programme, you will have been hearing the debates about whether the tier system is what we need now are National Lockdown is what is needed. Keir starmer, the labour leader, has been speaking about going into full lockdown, a Circuit Breaker. What method do you support . I support what keir starmer is saying. Look at it this way. We have Health Advice from the experts which the government is not fully following. We got to have consent if there are going to be lockdowns or Circuit Breakers, because it depends on people obeying the instructions, so asa on people obeying the instructions, so as a government you have got to be one step ahead of this and go for the maximum consensus possible. The blockage, i think that has got to be solved, i said two weeks ago, the chancellors package of economic measures was insufficient. You cannot increase the Health Restrictions on people telling them they cannot do certain things then lessen the economic support, so people lose theirjobs, but that is exactly what the chancellor has done at the very time that we are increasing their requirements on people not to do things and denying people not to do things and denying people the chance ofjobs, we are reducing the economic support. If i was borisjohnson, reducing the economic support. If i was Boris Johnson, again, reducing the economic support. If i was borisjohnson, again, you got to be one step ahead, he should be calling the chancel this morning telling him his economic recovery package is not going to work, it has to be changed in one respect in the last few days, get him to bring a new economic recovery package and you can bring consent around that. You cannot ask people to lose their jobs and then pay them far less than you were playing in the last few months. Gordon brown, always good to have you on the programme, the former Prime Minister, talking to us from fife. Thank you. Now if 2020 were a normal year, former one direction star niall horan would be out on the road touring his new album in front of thousands of his fans. But the coronavirus pandemic has hit the live Music Industry particular hard, especially those working behind the scenes. So next month niall will play a special live event at the Royal Albert Hall to help raise money to support them. Well speak to him shortly but first lets take a look at him in action. Music plays and i am very pleased to say that nialljoins us now from london. Good morning to you. Good morning, how are you doing . Good, thank you. We saw a clip of you at the Royal Albert Hall. Of course nobody in the audience. And you have a plan to do audience. And you have a plan to do a gig with a difference for a very specific cause. Tell us a bit more. I wanted to do a virtual gig i realised with people being at home that you might get bigger numbers than you would normally get at the Royal Albert Hall and realise that with those numbers we can make some money and also the realisation that former hasnt really existed for our crew members in the Music Industry for some reason even though it was a £a. 5 billion sectorfor for some reason even though it was a £a. 5 billion sector for the uk government last year. And we had an ex member of the one direction staff who was trying to help fund crew members who have mortgages and life, who were not being funded by furlough, typically. Tell me, when you are on tour, how big is the crew . The fans come to see you, the performers, musicians, but how big is the typical crew on a tour . M depends on the scale of the tour. Speaking about this recently, on a tour like speaking about this recently, on a tourlike mine, 30, speaking about this recently, on a tour like mine, 30, constantly, every day. On the one direction stadium tour we had 150, at all times. The sheer scale of the stage that had to be put up, lights had to be rigged, the quality of the screen is being put up has to be checked, the sound gear on stage all needs to be put up, and part of the reason why i wanted to do the gig was the educate people as to how hard these people from up and down this country and all over the British Isles work, they are the first people up in the morning. Iam they are the first people up in the morning. I am fast asleep by the time they are finishing theirjobs. It is more like that, too. And hopefully we can raise a few funds for them, as well. I am sure that what happens on tour stays on tour, ican what happens on tour stays on tour, i can see from that laugh, i am intrigued, but there is, youre out on tourfour weeks, often, so intrigued, but there is, youre out on tour four weeks, often, so there has got to be that big family mentality and that feeling as well, you get to know people, you are having a laugh, nipping out for a cup of tea whilst things are being set up during rehearsals. Have you beenin set up during rehearsals. Have you been in touch with many of them . dont know what it is like for other artists but i have been close with the tour, i come from a similar background to those guys and i would a lwa ys background to those guys and i would always hang around and have ps with them on days off or after the show, having a laugh, and they arejust normal guys and girls from all over the country, they all love doing what they do working on live music. It is going to be exciting to try and raise some money for those guys, and raise some money for those guys, and put a bit of light in some living rooms on a saturday night. know that you say that you have been in contact with people. What have they been doing . We spoke to somebody who works in production services, a stage hand charity, he runs, he says people are working in supermarkets or doing all sorts of other work. What sort of stories are you hearing . My stage manager is currently working on a building site. No disrespect to the job but it is different from what they do on a regular basis. Two of the guys are working in tesco, i think. A regular basis. Two of the guys are working in tesco, ithink. It a regular basis. Two of the guys are working in tesco, i think. It is very strange, because if we dont tour, they dont have a job, simple as that. They rely on going from my tour, to the next tour, and at the end of the day they have got kids and mortgages. And because we have been away for lengths of time i have seen, our number one lighting guy missed the birth of his kid, just so that he can make money in turn, for that he can make money in turn, for that child, and because of coronavirus, they havent been able to make any money whatsoever. So some of them have been left behind by furlough and things like that. Some of them have been left behind by furlough and things like thatm the bigger picture, niall, thinking about your line of work, you can carry on making music. We have seen artists doing things at home, or doing virtual gigs, but i guess what took you to it in the first place was performing in front of people. When you look ahead, what do you see . Based on the restrictions in london here yesterday, if we cant get people into a house or restau ra nt get people into a house or restaurant or bar or whatever, i cant see them allowing people into large indoor venues for a very long time. Ona large indoor venues for a very long time. On a smaller scale, like the hammersmith apollo, the Shepherds Bush empire, you could maybe split people into groups, but live music seems to be one of those things that cannot really function and isnt viable for everyone unless it is nearly 100 , 80 , Something Like that, so in the long run it is hard to tell because the restrictions change over time and even when i was putting this gig together, i was thinking would we be allowed to bring the crew members members, and have enough room on the stage with the band without being too socially distanced . The band without being too socially distanced . So the band without being too socially distanced . So in terms of full venues distanced . So in terms of full venues i cannot see it happening for a while, but in the interim we will keep trying to do these things. I also get the chance to play, for people who dont know what the Royal Albert Hall looks like, it is one of the most beautiful rooms you could possibly get into. All of the theatre seating, the lights, the boxes. It is going to be a special event. What should people who buy a ticket expect . What will they see . I am intrigued as to where you are going to get your energy from, because you feed off the audience, most performers do. I majorly feed off the audience. I love being in front of the crowd. Ive been lucky enough to tour the planet for the past ten years, and to hear those screams, it is pretty cool. It will be with a difference. The Royal Albert Hall is beautiful. Things that would happen in rehearsal, the chat between us, things we would play maybe a little bit differently, that people wouldnt necessarily see during the show, we are fully professionals. It will be a bit more ofa professionals. It will be a bit more of a relaxed vibe, i would imagine. Hopefully it comes across. I never got to tour this year, as you mentioned. Ijust released an album, the week, the day that we announced we we re the week, the day that we announced we were going into lockdown so the audience havent heard any of these songs yet so i would have upset of my last album and mostly this one, yes. How are yourone how are your one direction band mate getting on . They are all great, 80 watts and have kids and are busy with that, they are giving similar things to me, really a few of them have kids. We were all meant to be touring individually this year, not being able to do that is a bit annoying but we can still do the virtual stuff, we continue instagram lives and the songwriting, i have been doing a lot of recently. Thank you very much. Nialls virtual gig at the Royal Albert Hall will take place on november 7th. You can buy tickets for eight, you can watch niall doing his thing, it isa can watch niall doing his thing, it is a different way of going about business. You have caused a storm this morning. A storm in a teacup. We were debating how much you should fill the kettle. A survey says that people overfill the cattle, you only need to put in enough for a cup and it is wasting a lot of energy. Ian says, he has had a thought, he will use cattle water in his iron, and saveit use cattle water in his iron, and save it into another bottle to drink. Iam save it into another bottle to drink. I am completely confused by what he is saying. I think that is quite conventional, using pre boiled water to put in the iron. Perveen akhtar has tweeted to say, im with the wise woman naga on this one. I pour the water out. Dont want stale water sitting in the kettle to make a brew we are going to matt with the weather. Have you had a cup of speed . The light is just stunning where you are. Have you had a cup of tea . Where you are. Have you had a cup of tea . The beautiful colours that arejust behind me, to talk more about the colours at Westonbirt National Arboretum is the curator, mark. It has been putting on such a show this morning, natures fireworks, they like to say. always liken it to a fireworks display, it does not happen in one bang, it goes from the end of august to november. What would you say are the main ingredients for the autumn colours . We are fortunate here at westonbirt to have this picturesque landscape. These autumn colours, the japanese maples, are contrasting with the deciduous trees which have not yet turns and the conifers and so on. We have been lucky with the year we have had so far, as i said earlier, i try not to overthink it, you can get too much into it, the best thing is to step back and enjoy the magnificent show. Whats perfect advice to finish on. Step back, enjoy, come here, but you need to pre book, to see these beautiful colours. And everyday is different. Thank you forjoining us, the autumn colours have put on a show this morning. There will be sunshine this weekend, the best of it on sunday, but a fair bit of cloud around for the next few days. 30 intervals to the south and west but the clouded tech enough for one or two showers, it has been a chilly start. The cloud feeds in on an easter north easterly winds, bringing the shower, particularly to Western Areas eastern areas, but some drifting west. If youre going to see any other heavier showers, english channel, kent and around the channel islands. Temperatures staying cool but not far from where we should be for the stage in october. This evening and overnight, more cloud spreads from the east, some gaps the clouds, temperatures could drop to two or three degrees, looking towards the south west, south wales, for the greatest likelihood. Single figures to start saturday, very grey, some spots of rain or drizzle, heavier showers in the north of scotland, longer spells of dry weather on saturday, if it stays cloudy it will be cooler than today, eight or nine high. In scotland, a bit more sunshine for england to wales on sunday before rain arrives in the west later. Whatever your plans, if you are off to see the autumn colours, enjoy them. WhenJack Charlton died this summer, he was mourned not only here in the uk but also across the irish sea where he led the republic of ireland to two world cup tournaments. But before he died and unknown to many, jack was struggling with dementia, a battle documented in a new film hitting cinemas next month. Well speak to its director Gabriel Clarke shortly, but first lets have a look. Whats football about . Youre at Wembley Stadium and a balls crossed from the right wing and you go, boom thats his medal. People say to me, was that the most memorable day of your life . Joys in management are totally different to joys as a player. Hes not the same jack. Its dementia. I couldnt remember a lot of the memories. And its a shame, because hes had some good memories. Commentator jack perfect goal they think a lot of you, dont they . In ireland . No idea. Commentator Jack Charlton film director Gabriel Clarke joins us now from london. Let me to speak to you. A couple of things struck me watching the film, some of the story, and supple fans will know quite a lot of the story around his successes as a player and around his successes as a player and a manager, the really intriguing pa rt a manager, the really intriguing part of this story was the access you had to the family, to his wife, and spending some time with him at home. He was suffering from dementia. Tell us about that time . Yes, when we set out to make the film, we wanted to do the film to reflect jacks tied with ireland, his career and incredible achievement and the sense that he was an englishman who was able to achieve incredible things at a time of particular difficulty in ireland as well, what he was able to achieve in that sense was incredible, but working with his wife pat, and John Charlton, getting the help to document jacks charlton, getting the help to documentjacks time with dementia, that was something that was very special to us. One thing they were keen to show as was how he lived as normal a life as possible. Some of the most powerful moments in the film are whenjack remembers and reconnect with certain moments in the past, through film or music, that was something his wife pat helped us to do. Anyway, those moments underline the hardest thing about dementia, the loss of memory and, toa about dementia, the loss of memory and, to a degree, the loss of identity, but one constant thing to the filming was that jack would engage with the camera, that is a lwa ys engage with the camera, that is always what he did, he continued to do that, and i think the family were also very keen to put across that this was not a condition that defines him, it was something they lived with and throughout his life, towards the end, he was still recognising former players, he was still very much recognising his family and engaging with them, so it is an emotional film on family and engaging with them, so it is an emotionalfilm on many levels but i think it is also. You will hope to see an inspirational film on many hope to see an inspirational film on ma ny levels hope to see an inspirational film on many levels in terms of what jacks career represented as a whole and his extraordinary life. Yes, we have documented to a degree a final chapter, but elements that we tell the story of quite an extraordinary life as a supple player in amongst. World cup winner 1966. Life as a supple player in amongst. World cup winner1966. And asa amongst. World cup winner1966. And as a football manager and a person who essentially was part of an incredibly transformational time and i wish history. Gabriel, incredibly transformational time and iwish history. Gabriel, having watched parts of the film and seeing the footage you have heard that the access to his notes, you use that as access to his notes, you use that as a divide throughout the film and it really emphasises the clarity he had and the real focus really emphasises the clarity he had and the realfocus really emphasises the clarity he had and the real focus the footage you have had and the access to his notes, you use that as a device. He was very notes, you use that as a device. He was very straightforward but also very analytical, it must have been a delight to get access to those. That is thanks to pat charlton and John Charlton again. During the course of filming they said, jack kept these notes, there were boxes and boxes of them, it was very much his way of making key points, he life proverbs, management velocities, all written down in short form before he would down in short form before he would do speeches, he did a lot of after dinner speeches, he would make tactical speeches to the players as well, and you are absolutely right, it boils down how sharp his mind of, his it boils down how sharp his mind of, his mind was, there is a lot of talk today about coaching courses, passing exams and licenses, uefa licenses, but lots of the basic philosophies jack word from intensive Man Management in particular were boiled down in this note form, and in terms of the film, we ladies through the film, we have people referring to them, but jack himself, lots of the interviews we covered, and he did a lot of interviews because that was one of the elements he was so good as, this is one of the first tv stars of his era, his voice alongside those notes is able to narrate the film and you get a sense of his velocity, how he was able to cut to the point, be a dictator but be a nice one, that idea really sums him up, that was one of his philosophies. Give it my way and we will get on and have a great time, dont do it my way and we might not. It is a real learning curve is a documentary for me, but also very moving at times and i highly recommended to people. Thank you for talking to us. It is a shame to get away pets, but Jackie Charlton meeting the pope is quite a good sequence, i will recommend it. Finding Jack Charlton will be in cinemas from november six, on dvd and digital platform shortly after. This is bbc news, with the latest headlines talks with regional leaders of a tighter coronavirus restrictions continue says the foreign secretary as he accuses the mayor of manchester of holding the government over a barrel. We cant have a situation where andy burnham is effectively saying, unless you give us what we want, we are not going to do the right thing in terms of following the new rules which will protect the very people of manchester he was elected to represent. Damaging to Public Health a warning from scientists as the standoff between regional leaders and ministers over covid restrictions intensifies. It comes as more than half of englands population will be living under high or very high alert restrictions from midnight tonight. What do you think about the new restrictions in your area and the impact they could have . Do