terms — see the protocol in very positive terms it — see the protocol in very positive terms. it means that northern ireiand — terms. it means that northern ireiand is— terms. it means that northern ireland is part of two large important markets, the united kingdom — important markets, the united kingdom market, which it is part of, and the _ kingdom market, which it is part of, and the eu _ kingdom market, which it is part of, and the eu market, which it is also part of _ and the eu market, which it is also part of. why— and the eu market, which it is also part of. why not try and change the mindset. _ part of. why not try and change the mindset, and i hope president biden will take _ mindset, and i hope president biden will take this approach, and tell both— will take this approach, and tell both sides, stop quibbling, there are reat— both sides, stop quibbling, there are real issues in northern ireland, i are real issues in northern ireland, i know— are real issues in northern ireland, i know this — are real issues in northern ireland, i know this. there are real problems for business — i know this. there are real problems for business in northern ireland, admit _ for business in northern ireland, admit it. — for business in northern ireland, admit it, but there are also real problems— admit it, but there are also real problems of how the united kingdom is fulfilling its commitments, and it's not— is fulfilling its commitments, and it's not real at the moment in doing what _ it's not real at the moment in doing what it— it's not real at the moment in doing what it should be doing on it, and on preparing properly for what it committed to in the protocol. that's why the _ committed to in the protocol. that's why the eu — committed to in the protocol. that's why the eu is so frustrated, and i understand — why the eu is so frustrated, and i understand that frustration. mary robinson, always _ understand that frustration. mary robinson, always good _ understand that frustration. .— robinson, always good to talk to you, thanks for coming on the programme. you, thanks for coming on the programme-— as we were discussing about the challenge china proposes to the united — challenge china proposes to the united states, lots of talk