and the taliban must also realise that they cannot keep afghanistan to the knee, they have to live with the world. only in a moderate situation, moderate government, moderate islam, that we can live with ourselves and the world. these are strange, uncertain times. a world in which a female presenter in kabul can still interview a representative of the taliban. but for how long? it's been 20 years since the taliban last ruled kabul. not everyone here even remembers what it was like. the militants say they want an inclusive islamic government. what, people wonder, will that mean? paul adams, bbc news. let's bring you some live pictures from brussels where nato is holding a press conference. let's have a listen in to mr stoltenberg. that us