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Novelist daughter and rich appears to get credit for the precept of the fish he's hungry again and on our But if you teach him a fish you feed him for life the trouble is a steady hard pressed Grimsby or Peter had troll him and will tell you it's not just as easy to catch fish that used to be nor are we talking about the Common Fisheries policy rather the state of the common fish is one of the most wide ranging studies of fish populations in the seas of the world over is detailed answers to the questions of whether the fish stocks are falling and by how much. It's a familiar sounding story the United Nations says an unprecedented humanitarian crisis is unfolding in the West African country of fossil where more than 100000 people have fled their homes most of them were displaced in the 1st 2 months of 2019 speaking at a news conference in Geneva yen SLOC a spokesperson for the U.N. Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said the situation for people in book you know fast was extremely serious as a favor this year some 1200000 people I meet off assistance in. Around a 120000 people have no access to medical care and some 670000 people OD risk of food insecurity. 130000 people last night and find to be a malnutrition the Shia and their schools have closed depriving almost 150000 people children off their education so what's brought this on I've been speaking to Chris for more new who is senior associate for Africa and regional director at the U.S. National Democratic Institute for International Affairs I would say that it's a combination of factors. Nurturing that looking after us so it's a developing country which happens to be in the Sahara. That is you know as and as we know this to have is facing some kind I think conditions where you got to climate change but it's also facing violent extremism in neighboring countries of Miley with a very porous borders that therefore bag negatively on other countries in this I had such as looking after us so. Morecambe Yeah I've been like. So it's trouble from the north and in a sense it's coming it's coming down from the north as that they have the security problem. Because the borders I strictly porous and looking after us so it's not the border with Miley which is a country that's been exposed in recent years to violent extremism and jihadist movement. So again I mean the numbers mean 100000 people leaving their homes a Shia in Burkean a fossil that a lot of people listen to biggest Burkina Faso. Because it's a small size African country I would say with about 12. GATES OF about to have. People. But a country that's not used to population migration so when you have hundreds of thousands of people leaving the whole back you did that was that moving to other parts of the country it's a big deal it's a big deal because they're leaving behind their likelihood they're also going to impact negatively on other publish and said does that already facing issues where you've got to food security just human security and the ability to care for themselves and just looking back in a fashion I mean to the show's Cote d'Ivoire you've got Ghana you've got togo you've got been in are they starting to feel the impact of this I mean as a country like Ghana which is often held up as a model of stability as it is beginning to feel the pressure. To. Export what exported local lab or to their BRIC countries such as could give what I've got at. That how to cook who does trade that depends a lot on the human capital and human level. Also because the borders in most of West Africa is triply Porras invariably. Feels pressure from the knowledge that that may translate some of us only have you can tend to cross the south but as you get into the countries that you just mentioned but obviously there is this sensitivity in West Africa to the fragility of this ahead and the fact that all those need to be brought to bed just to help the advancement of these elements across this ahead in order to impact. In other that did not impact negatively on countries both we did this I had. A West Africa which of course the countries you just listed including could give one book enough but why got to go other countries on the belly of West Africa. So if if you think about what must be done on the spot people always say well what must be done this is fall under the aegis of the African Union are African countries concerned about this oh yes I think. Because. I think that it's going to require a comprehensive approach with all of the region upon that. But also the African Union and the United Nations coming to the table to figure out how they can expand the multinational approach that's being utilized neighboring Mali we've got to counterbalance Jim isn't how that could be expanded to also cover book enough to because if you dealing with elements that are trying to undermine security Mali. Which has very porous borders if you focus solely on one country and in this case mightily invariably those negative elements are going to find out later in a country in the weaker league in a country such as booking a festival and if they can penetrate through booking their 1st 2 then the likelihood is very strong that they would undermine security in all of West Africa . And I freely admit I looked at the map and became a faster says they're right above all the coastal countries like Ghana and Togo it's just as worth checking out because it looks like the meat in the sandwich between the site hell and the more prosperous coastal nations that was Chris from you who's a senior associate for Africa at the US National Democratic Institute for International Affairs the US border for says that surprisingly the number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has broken records and government facilities and agents are overwhelmed it says more than $76000.00 migrants crossed the border without authorization and fabric which is more than double the same time last year which would seem to suggest something is going wrong loamy Creel covers immigration and the border for the Houston Chronicle Hello Me Hi Thanks for having me. This is an unusual figure I mean we've been in the in the the heat of the debate about Mr Trump and his border wall we were told that numbers crossing the border illegally have been going down steadily since virtually the year 2000. Right and that is still true the number of people migrants crossing the border illegally last year was about 400000 compared to 1600000 in 2000 but what has changed particularly in the past year is who is coming and now it's mostly Central American families seeking asylum and so the number of those families crossing in February broke as you mentioned it's a force of 5 months that they it's broken record it's about $43000.00 questioning between ports of entry and they present a particular challenge for several authorities here because they can't be quickly to portage and there they have to be detained differently and so that is really what is sort of overwhelming authorities and it really is overwhelming the most I mean what's happening to people. So so again I mean it's these families that are coming between ports of entry that that has really risen to that 43000 number and usually they were detained for a couple of days at Border Patrol classic centers but those facilities were meant to largely keep same girl usually Mexican adults and so they're not sort of out to keep specially young children in December there are the tragic deaths of 2 Guatemalan children held in those facilities so there's been an increased focus on those facilities and access to health and medical care in those facilities. And as is everybody being pushed into these overcrowded facilities in Obama's day there was a policy called catch and release wasn't there where people would be told to report back at a certain time but it's not happening at all no. No That process is still very much in place there they're just piled in these boards will process processing centers for several days before they usually are released with a notice to appear in immigration court but because these numbers of people coming on the front and are so much more as I said 40 sweet 1000 February come paired to about 27000 and December it's just. Overwhelming kind of on the front end at the border and what explains this so we talk about Guatemala we're talking about on the stable countries that most of these people are trying to get out of weight and that's been happening for a while you know gang violence poverty particularly in Guatemala El Salvador Honduras but one thing that experts say is no notable about this increase in families in the last couple of months is a chump administration has limited the number of people who can legally seek asylum at ports of entry there and many ports mentioned across the border there are only letting in a few dozen And so increasingly you've seen the these numbers of people crossing between ports of entry rising to these dramatic figures while the numbers allowed in at ports of entry are staying largely the same about 5000 a month then these are very risky things that they're doing and they're crossing the crossing over places where the just no water supply the they don't know what they're getting into right and the border patrol authorities you know have said for months that that this is very dangerous and that's my players are just kind of taking advantage of this. An official policy that if you come once a child you are usually released pretty quickly. So you know we've seen now in specially in the past couple of months that larger groups are crossing more remote areas of the border into New Mexico and West Texas and as a result you know that those areas are far from medical facilities there for time doesn't have good transport there so it's that has added to this kind of overwhelming of federal authorities there. Is any of this relatable in any way to the president's rhetoric about the wall. Well some say it's related to has read or write generally and his policies generally for instance after 0 tolerance family separation policy and at last Jim the number of families began to increase every month and that happened that coincided with this kind of limiting of asylum seekers at ports of entry and other. Sort of what some say are draconian initiatives so what they say is that this influx is happening in part because people are trying to come while they can because they don't know what's going to happen next while of course. The Trump administration says it's just the smugglers taking advantage of that situation or you could argue that as you said you could argue that the people are saying well it's only going to get worse or more difficult for me a better make or break no with my family there must be a seasonal aspect to this too is that it's easier of a slow to to cross over in winter temperatures. Well actually usually around this time that the numbers are relatively low so that's why this has been particularly unusual and they tend to sort of rise in that in the spring time and when it starts to get a lot better warmer so this February then the number of people who overall cross this February well is the highest in 12 years so it certainly is unusual but I mean as you said I keep a thing is when you look at the number of people coming in at ports of entry that number has stayed the same so it's a people crossing illegally illegally that has really spite so dramatically so you have to wonder if you know they're crossing because they can't come in at ports of entry. Movie thank you very much thank you for having me. Louis Creal covers immigration for the Houston Chronicle. Well you may have heard about this because for only the 2nd time an individual who lives with HIV has been identified as being free of the virus in other words are no longer a child the post of the London patient as he's being called was treated for Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2016 and then received a bone marrow transplant from a donor with a particular genetic mutation that affects a protein which is part of the surface of some immune system cells and he was also treated and kept on being treated with immunosuppressive drugs he joins an exclusive club the only other man known to have gone into full remission from H.I.V. Is one Timothy Ray Brown where Tim Henrich from the AIDS Research Center Research Institute at the University of California in San Francisco and he was a reviewer of the Nature paper which described the London patient Hello Dr Henrik Lo thank you for having me well thank you for coming. I'm just going to ask you to help me on pick some of the things have just said because it's really complicated he was. If I've used the word cured you're going to jump all over me but he was a little. Let's say he was treated with a complete bone marrow transplant that must be horrible I mean how do you do that to somebody it is not easy transplantation especially the type of well now transplants that both London dition but also Timothy Ray Brown who was the 1st member of this elite club who was transplanted over 12 years ago these these transplants have significant complications related to them there's an increased risk of mortality or death there's an increased risk of infection and they can be very difficult to get through without side effects so it is it is not an easy procedure that we place under our peaceniks unless they absolutely need to have one and what was the CD Why why transplant some of these bone marrow if there is HIV positive. So that's a that's a great question and in fact he was transplanted primarily for lymphoma and not for A.T.V. And I think that's the important message here is that the transplant itself was necessary for the lymphoma which was refractory to prior therapies to standard chemotherapies and needed a stem cell transplant patient in order to survive lymphoma but he and like Timothy Ray Brown had the very rare opportunity to have donor stem cells or cells from the donor and in each of the uninfected donor that had this rare mutation that essentially makes these cells resistant to their strain of HIV be so it was an added bonus to otherwise what seems to be a very good trump bone marrow transplant outcome could assess how rare is this mutation. It's very rare it can be less than one to 2 percent in the northern European Northern European population much less so in other parts of the world and not only do we have to look for a bone marrow transplants or donors that have this mutation but they also have to be genetically compatible through routine testing as well and that can also be a challenge even without this rare mutation. Let's go back talk about the general treatment for its HIV from it because it's the cocktail isn't it all the antiretrovirals how. BIG IT GOES TO YOU have to take I mean how many pills are we talking about and kind of daily dose of the stuff. You know average about therapy or treatment for HIV has actually been simplified over the last several years in fact many of our our patients there are starting therapies now will go in one or B.B. 2 pills once a day with relatively few side effects of the actual treatment for suppressing HIV in the blood is actually quite good now it depends on if someone has access or has the economic and social. Opportunities to access that care but it can be quite simple Now that's. And know that when anybody stops this these potent combination and you drill therapy we normally see a virus rebound in the blood within $2.00 to $4.00 weeks and this patient has already been now 18 months without any detectable signs in the blood using these acids so if they actually took him off it 18 months ago yeah yeah he's been he has been without rebound in his blood at least where they've looked for about 18 months that's correct and what's his general state of health. I don't know more specifics other than what was discussed in the paper and in the talk today but but it seems as though he's having a generally favorable outcome to the transplantation he does have some what we call graft versus host disease which is where those donor cells start to attack the regular tissues in the body not just the tumor of the blood cells but other parts of the body but that's been fairly limited and has been able to be controlled with some in a suppressive therapy as you alluded to earlier goodness me well let's go back to the top question. Why why is this now if a cure. Yeah you know there are depends how you define cure I think what we're saying is heavy remission because he's been off aventures of all therapy for a fairly long period of time and they have not been able to find any definitive evidence of each of the infection in his body thus far it is possible there is a small chance that over the next year or 2 that virus could rebound it is unlikely and I remain optimistic that he will not but it is certainly a possibility but even then it's possible to detect tiny with HIV now and then in these participants and whether that's true infection or if it's just left over but won't actually lead to infection down the Rhine we will never really know I think however that whether you use the word remission or cure what we're hoping for is that he will be able to stay off his entered of all therapy essentially life long without having to testable virus return in his blood and was it absolutely deliberate. The bone marrow that he got contained this mutation this particular protein that was resistant to HIV I think so we and other groups have that's actually studied stem cell transplantation with susceptible cell so donors that have that are each of the uninfected but those cells are capable of being infected by HIV and we saw a dramatic reduction a massive reduction in the amount of residual HIV burden or the amount of total body each of the infection went way down after routine stem cell transplantation without these cells however when we took these participants off of enter trial therapy where they came on have to providing consent to do so we noticed that virus did rebound although it was significantly delayed up to 8 months almost in one of our participants which suggests that we were able to drive that residual amount of infection that hides on interval therapy to extremely low levels but that said to make that final difference to go the final mile or kilometer I guess would be these modified stem cells that although you can reduce the burden of infection with transplant patient you really need these modified cells 2 to go the whole 9 yards go the whole 9 yards Hiya obviously I'm not a dot to but sounds to me that you wouldn't want to go for a bone marrow transplant unless you had absolutely no other option I mean this is not this is not a replacement treatment for HIV as you know I interviewed treatment right now can be one pill once a day with few side effects. Transplant can have up to 25 to 40 percent mortality rate and it has a lot of other issues and actually leads to a lot more chronic medications that people have to take to prevent this craft versus those disease and other complications from the transplantation so it is not easy this is not something that can be scalable to a large population this is not something for most in fact a vast majority of individuals living with HIV This is not not for everyone if you don't need a bone marrow transplant. You should not get a bone marrow transplant Oh thank you and it is not a bridge I mean you just said it's not a bridge to treating a larger population of nothing here that gives you an inkling of an idea that somehow something could be taken from this one mutated protein that would somehow help well there is actually it isn't an incredibly informative although all those transplantation itself is not scalable certainly there have been lots of work working on doing other types of gene modification therapies to to get rid of the protein or to make it nonfunctional the same one that they know that was on the stem cell transplant cells and there are other gene modification therapies there's immunotherapies that are trying to emulate parts of the stem cell transplantation without having to do a full transplant so there's certainly an excitement and direction that the the community the research community has taken although that obviously is a lot slower and it's going to let take a lot more time a lot more work before that becomes feasible for a larger number of people well we salute your excitement and your work with his fantastic thank you very much Dr HENRICH. 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Has been told by senior doctors it's inevitable the Brecht that process will cause delays to cancer testing and treatment regardless of the outcome of next week's Commons vote on Teresa Mayes proposed deal the Royal College of radiologists says the concern centers on the availability of drugs which are used both for diagnosis and treatment the government insists it has reported plans and children who are arrested as young as 12 should be tested the 88 that's according to a body supporting people with the condition the vice chair of the all party parliamentary group idea has anyone up to the age of 20 should be screened if the Howard for impulsive crimes Nick Hutton has the support. Of the quarter finals of the Champions League for the 1st time in 8 years just. How the Cape Can she still really carry Kerry told her to go back child a girl Cherie Currie carry this child little She's a scary. Week to keep the baby are doing K.K.K. She was very educated terms celebrate because that if they take too much they do junk E.G. Yes Harry came with the only goal of the game is spurs held firm to win one door when they go through 4 nil on aggregate Kane's goal was his 24th in Europe for Spurs is one of the no says there's no doubt that his side should be in the last days if you get 2 legs. Was called for goals we didn't concede. Team that this is a double pneumonia was a little early so that it would do you more great even with great player disturb if conditions and so on you can normalize you to come do you will show up be professional. You know in the world to find not a good night for Real Madrid though they are outnumbered 41 at home by I.X. As I went out 53 on aggregate the Spanish football journalist says it's a dark day for the club they were the feet of grandmother the hole where they were in the European competition in their history they were structured the respect nation from the prophet just when we got 3 a lot of noise also happens if you know became a grandmother of course that you speak of just go shawl out with the grandmother to that is what if you will so they just play around and went home after a Christmas show up in the Championship Dobby came from behind to beat Wigan to warm and the run of 3 straight defeats you can find all of last night's results on the B.B.C. Sport website now in men's women have won the Cup for the 1st time assigns to a 3 nil victory over Japan least on a full scale and county and best made with the goals in the satisfying life of manager Phil Neville as they continue their preparations for this summer's World Cup I thought that was a sensational performance and the other players the players that came in have made an impact and they're causing me problems and you know before this tournament I was not really bothered either way whether we're going to win or lose the biggest thing for me I wanted to see an improvement I wanted to see that we were not right the right roles and we fly on tomorrow with no question in my mind that we're on the right road to where we want to be cricketers when the 1st T 20 against West Indies chasing 161 to instantly they won by 4 wickets with Jonny Bairstow top scoring with 68 probably played really well I thought the way the guys adapted of the top with with the new ball and then obviously it was she'd in tennis through the middle bowled really really well and look to finish off with a score of a $160.00 definitely chasuble on there that's how would it. Change acknowledge fitness stats for England 6 nation. Game against it's late on Saturday it's time to training yesterday with a knee injury on Ollie still feeling the effects and eye shoulder injury suffered in the defeat to ALS the 6. Piece British Championships. The succession continues on. This week 6 the B.B.C. . This is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live on the B.B.C. Says. It's what's right shop feet if you look at the old pictures and the pictures of a fishing port like Grimsby or how Peter had to tell our own story they used to be jammed with fishing boats people used to come and go women used to go up and down the coast following the herring in the season and that doesn't happen like that anymore now if you ask Fishman's leaders I'll explain about other people from other nations who fish and British waters up talk about political complications but the underlying factor which I few people will also deny is that fish are getting rarer. But nobody's really said so in reliably scientific way not until now but along comes a new paper published in Science magazine which puts a figure on it that says the world fish stocks have fallen over the last 80 years by about 4 percent but then just to add comfort to our bleak scene in Britain the British Isles it goes on to say the damage is particularly severe in the northern and Irish C.S. And a ride in their beauty and coast where stocks have dropped by about 35 percent which is yes a 3rd male in Penske is associate professor of the Department of Ecology Evolution and Natural Resources at Rutgers University in New Jersey and he was responsible for the support and very pleased to have you with us Hello Professor Pinsky wonderful to be with you and just try and comment that Chris free is actually the one who led the report but I was also one of the. Authors and I'm glad that you were a co-author Yes indeed M. Why has not been done before was it that complicated to do this well you know it really was you know we studied fisheries all around the world and we're testing for the impacts of ocean temperatures on the sustainable catch that we can expect from each of them and you know as you point out we found that ocean warming so far is already driven a 4 percent drop in those catches around the world when you talk so yeah sorry I'm just slightly breakup on the sly here but please carry on. I was just going to say pulling all the data together both on fisheries and on how ocean temperatures have been changing really was quite quite an effort that took her to a lot of time and a lot of analysis to make sense of. Could you get a pretty good picture really of what the fish stocks are like all around the world for the last 80 years. So there are a number of fish stocks that we do have very good data North Sea actually is one of them many places in the United States and around Australia parts of Asia so we aren't able to look at fish stocks everywhere in the world and the tropics in particular actually we don't know much about but for the $235.00 populations around the world through a tree do have good data that's what we've focused on so give us the rogue is the bad news and we can talk about it if a by the North Sea in the in the card population for example. Well I mean maybe it's worth focusing on the good news as well which is that you know there is a lot we can and we can do about this right there's we have seen a drop you know it's very stunning in many ways that we've already seen an impact of warming temperatures this isn't some abstract future problem and yet one of the really striking things that we found was that. The impacts were most negative for populations that have also experienced overfishing So when we fish too hard when we take too many fish out of the oceans that's when these populations will be most negatively impacted by by warming waters so if we so turn that around if we can fish sustainably rebuild the populations that have declined and we actually have an opportunity to increase the food that we get from the ocean and the employment that we get from these fisheries doesn't all have to the news you know and of course in my idea no the one lone fisherman who's actually listening to this is jumping up and down and saying I told you so if he's. Coming from far and wide. And fishing everything out of our waters. The the populations of different fish are reacting at different ways that are I mean if we're losing Cod We're not losing everything. Yeah you know that's entirely right you know we found quite a variety there both winners and losers. The North Sea happened to be on the on the lower end but other populations like black sea bass on the East Coast of the U.S. Actually are doing better with ocean temperatures go up we do have to temper that a little bit realizing that you know fish are a bit like Goldilocks you know they don't like their their water too warm or too cold so while they might do do better right now as temperatures increase that won't continue forever if what ocean waters continue to warm even populations like black sea bass will start to decline. When you when you're making your your measurements for warming and so on did you find hot spots to divide places where you know warmer temperatures absolutely related to a fall in the fish population. Here and I should say that what we find is that warmer temperatures are related to a fall in the sustainable catch that we can expect from a fish population you know as you pointed out many things actually affect how many fish are in the water including how many we catch in domestic fleets how many factory trawlers come in from international waters as well you know there are there are many things that contribute but. The North Sea actually did stand out as one of the places where they were the strongest impacts of ocean warming and also you know there really has been dramatic change in ocean temperatures in the North Sea over the past few decades it's warm very rapidly but if you're that way mind I mean there are some places where the fish populations are actually going up as a right. Oh Yeah exactly so you know I mentioned black sea bass on the East Coast the U.S. They tend to be doing a bit better for the population and where we. In and around the Baltic Sea and the Indian Ocean we also in general saw positive impacts of warming in in those those places but in the in the Far East where so much population depends on on fish that's also not very good news is it. Yeah you know the North Sea stood out but then also Sea of Japan East China Sea Some places are other places around Japan Easter Japan. Stood out as areas where impacts of warming had been especially negative and you know that may in part be and same goes for North Sea actually in part B. The impact of warming temperatures below and also the history of overfishing you know a lot of a lot of those populations have been turned down to quite low levels as a result of intense fishing historically and as I mentioned those those makes that those effects make these populations especially sensitive to warm water and we've we've been talking about a food type of fish you know things that you would expect to see on your plate but did you did you also measure the bait fish you know and the fish that are that are fished in vast quantities for fish meal yeah we look to a wide range so Sandy eel in the North Sea for example stood out as one of the populations with quite substantial negative impacts of warming temperatures and it's you know it's a good point you know if fish show up on our plates we eat them but then they also go into a wide range of. Food for animals or even nutritional supplements so their. Fish are actually the most widely traded or one of the most widely traded food commodities around the world. Really and up touching almost every corner of our economy and then on top of that it's also very important fish are very important source of food for about one in every 2 people alive today so. You know the ocean sometimes can feel quite distant but it really does impact all of us thank you for talking to us really appreciates Yeah thank you so much Fessor millon Pinsky joined us from Rutgers University in New Jersey well in France with the European elections coming up in me President McCraw has written an open letter to Europe but it's quite a letter I don't listen to it has been telling me all about it. Actually many things brought this on a part you know among the things that were all told they had to do with the fact that he's just had the most difficult crisis of his presidency and that. Bringing back international politics opening the European contain making points about what the European project and the French style of the euro European Project can do for its citizens all of this is a way of closing down to is trying to close down the yellowjackets episode and saying Look France can have the leadership of Europe we can other things a physique that we have experience in in our country and so it's it's a strategic and tactical bit. More than anything else McCaw feels that Britain is leaving because before because of threats it going to buckle is nearing the end of her so. There's an opening for the leadership of the anti populist Europeans Well I'm glad you mentioned because it would have hurt our feelings if it hadn't been a little part of his thinking in that so it's quite a broad brush sort of letter though isn't it funny when he talks a piece seems to talk if I'm reading I'm right about limiting migration. He. Well he's not exactly talking about limiting migration he's talking about this and at the same time he says that all the all the dispositions that have existed. Cannot be surprised what he says however he's been in effect trying to separate those countries that will sign up to taking their share of migration. Keeping in a sort of core European nations and he's trying to separate the Eastern Bloc from from the rest of Europe and not for him it's a bit as if he were looking for the kind of a glossary in Europe that all similar to the 1st 3 that enabled him to be elected easy to use it and so he's just he's got designated mine look back called back to a 70 they're called the cold called the peace leaders in Poland cetera and he feels that this will this will play well. It seems I mean he said instrument countries with different attitudes and I may be more cynical than most people but I think he's the one who's picking fights with parts of the European nations and this is where. He also though is talking about a European minimum wage it's seems to be back to the European project doesn't it centralizing a lot of it has to be a list of the $27.00 U. 20 countries already have a minimum wage and McWatters say that the minimum wage should be proportionate to the level of growth of the country and the general level of costs in the country so that's not as rude as you might think it is. But it's a package and the whole package is Europe is not something that is going to do things behind your back it's not something that is going to throw you in. Into a new growth situation countering like 22 bit capitalism it is going to protect you and it is capable of making the European model with health care with a pension systems etc taking it not leaving nobody behind this is what he selling. How has it gone down. It has come down predictably with interest and on some cynicism of people saying well you know that's when we have getting out of the yellowjackets thing it's it's difficult for Buchholz even though he's gone back up in the polls in the past 34 weeks it's difficult for McCall to make people forget that he has been accused repeated in the country by people who are not themselves faultless but of not understanding the concepts of ordinary people. And he's trying to sort of transpose this like like there's a station to the European level. It's this is the system asking as many questions as it. Is trying to answer. Well let's turn to the question of returning to Heidi brides and apparently not French are not very keen on the the French are unbelievably not keen on that if you're talking about jihadi brights you have an 80 percent majority of the French and 82 percent exactly by pulled off taken last week . For French citizens across the spectrum from the extreme left extreme right and everything in between and they say we do not want that you rights back they you know they are traitors they fought against us they killed people they committed crimes and if they come back they will be dangerous because then also expressing any kind of deep seated regret from everything that we hear them say and then you've got a low majority that says you know the question is also what happens to the children if I understand correctly you think there's about 2500 a members of ISIS in camps in eastern Syria and there are about 100 children. Who are all could be designated could be could be does native French nationality the French state has been extremely cagey about this thing understand that this is not a popular decision they feel that you know why bring this back with such problems they said they would look at the case of the children's case but children case by case and if the children for instance all children polled in in Syria of of. One of who was not French which is of course the which is not the case for all of them some some of these brights came with the the people who recruited them but still if you can you could doesn't meet another nationality for one of the parents it's normal French law says that the children have got to apply for a fresh nationality when they reach majority at 18 and right now they haven't got 18 and therefore not technically French that's one aspect and then you've got a series of conditions depending on whether. The Brights or who are mostly what remains because the. Were killed can well have another citizenship it cetera it's a complicated problem who is treating this almost day by day in that you understood that this is something that is deeply unpopular and my my personal bet is that new solution will be found before the European elections and the British and Americans both have their well known examples you know the British of a big I'm there Americans have heard him Osama is there a character like that in France or someone who who the papers are all over we are they the names on all sort of that they haven't become household names the way they have in Britain and America but we have we have women like. The They've been interviewed by reporters and the general feeling is of complete revulsion because these are women who essentially look the way they looked when they were jihadi bright. And they do not express any kind of contrition. But there are voices saying that they have easy to slaves do why should we have to tell these women when they had new Pichel for hundreds of prisoners thousands of prisoners were told should use the slaves and eventually killed off this whole ISIS retreat so there's there's a strong feeling about that and there's also the feeling that in France every terrorist act of the past 10 years was committed by people who were actually followed by the police but the police could not detect the moment when they would actually sort of spring into action and the idea that we knew about more people however you know however efficient the surveillance is that it will it will be almost impossible to stop them from committing more crimes and so they general attitude is very negative. well or if mission mark roles letter was provoked by the european elections coming up and me there are other elections so the french might be more worried about special be a livin for paris we're just the may oral election coming up next year we have municipal elections and france coming next here for also is got this very specific is specific case because we've got $36000.00 citizen terrell's that have mayo's unfolds be very difficult to regroup several small towns on the on hamlets and make them into bigger sort of bit sayst outs for also saw reasons recently when macor was organizing great debate in which eat try to roam the country in meet as many you know take place to in as many public debate has possible sometimes for hours on a and those were moved your going to eyes under the you just many soon the mayoral elections are important but wonder specific election is going to have everybody looking at it and his the city of paris it's the having paris having it many a is fairly new that was a change in 1978 were his one of many mistake of the learn president but in each cow this stuff that was a reason why paras didn't have a many are it's because the mayor of paris historically since the bill ages was 70 who set of self a from a basis of power against the against the government owned of course the fast french politician who run for mayor in paris and $77.00 for $78.00 was shack shock and we know how is career went on to afterward so there was good reason to decide that perhaps a city council a not a map out was was necessary to but i that was don you've got that waning in it is well well it I doze arithmetic well let's join the Huffington Post Bobbie Olson hello Bobbie and lower out how are you good very good and I can remember the face of tyke all but think anybody could remember the face of Tyco because you had the fabulous Mr odds. Doesn't he has that great walrus mustachioed now who is Tykerb Tykerb is an American attorney and he was hired by the White House Trump's White House. Back in early July 27th teen to handle the special counsel investigation Robert Mueller Moore's investigation of the Russian interference in the $26000.00 election and he's no longer there but and he rarely gives an interview but he spoke the other day and talked about. When he when he was in the White House he predicted that the Moeller investigation was going to be a short quick affair that there was going to be nothing to it it was going to be over with no time and now he's saying that he expects this investigation to go on well he said he says it's never going to get never going to end he expects that it will go on through if Trump is reelected will go on into a 2nd administration well beyond 2020 and this is why didn't he why does there have isn't a yes when I was right when you consider the number of people who have been quoting their sources as saying that Robert Morris about to rock pop and then other people saying Well are you sure you know being played here as you know who told you that Robert Mueller is about to wrap up. Right and it and just this week 2 the House Judiciary Committee came out with a list of 81 people that 81 people and entities and agencies that it wants to get documents from so this wideness this investigation even further. And untie called was a true believer was he I mean he obviously as the White House lawyer he was in all the different position he wasn't going to jump around and say Robert Mueller is doing the right thing right well you know I think one of the things that distinguished high Cobb from some of the other White House counsels and attorneys was that he was always considered a straight shooter he was a he was considered a you know the kind of person who wouldn't come in and. Just be a trump supporter with no other ideas you know no you know True true and loyal to trump to the end I mean he has said this before but he did repeat this week that he considered Moller to be an American hero. He disagrees with the approach that the trumpet administration and Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani if you'll remember used to be the mayor of New York. Their approach Oh you know going out in attacking it calling a witch hunt. Trying to you know damage the reputation of the people who are involved in it and. How does come out and said that you know that it's you know of course it's up to the president to use the approach that he wants but he would not advise that they handled it this way and he thinks it will backfire on them. The world seems to be full of stories about Instagram kid flu and serves you know people who aren't even 12 yet making piles of money and so much more than I am. I should be insanely jealous apparently of 121 year old who is this Kylie Jenner and if you don't watch the car dash Ians on T.V. Every week like apparently so many people do I mean might not know who she is but she is part of the card as she and family she's the daughter of. Caitlin Jenner who used to be Ruth and Olympic runner Yeah and. She is when the when this T.V. Reality show started with the Caitlin sisters with the I'm smart with a car dash and sister she was only 10 years old. But through that show and through the game of the card as she and family the general Cardassian family she has this huge social media following and you know tens of millions of followers and she basically was able to turn this social media powerhouse into. A business enterprise she started a line of cosmetics and she was smart enough to keep can troll of that company to herself. It's got a very low overhead she sells her cosmetics in chain stores throughout the United States I'm sure you could also buy it online I believe it's the name of her company as chi is Kylie cosmetics and Forbes magazine came out and declared her to be the youngest ever billionaire at the age of $21.00 she has supplanted. Sucker Burge the C.E.O. Of Facebook who became a billionaire at age 23 so she's 2 years younger than he was when he achieved his 1st 1000000000. Dollar you can really say about that as a thank you so much Bobbi You're welcome. To new. Delhi or anyone else face B.B.C. 5 Live it's 2 o'clock am here with B.B.C. News Stuart Clark the top story the home secretary prepares to meet police chiefs after a wave of stabbings in sports autumn reached the quarter finals of the Champions League as a woman when the she believes come. Face is. B.B.C. 5 Live the home secretary said G Javid will hold a meeting with 7 police forces later to try to tackle the issue of knife crime it follows a number of fatal attacks including the deaths of 2 teenagers in separate stabbings last weekend is the Police and Crime Commissioner Fanaa C I'm sure Paddy tipping Force officers. 25 percent. Of police officers down by 22. Beggars belief people believe. Causal relationship with meetings come as a teenager's during court charged with murdering 17 year old Yousef Mackey in hell bombs near altering emigrate to Manchester on Saturday there's also been an arrest over the murder of a 70.